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Calendar / Woodsy et al.'s trip to the Biergarten
« on: 04-08-2017, 08:07am »
Hi All,

It's been a long winter and we decided it was time for us to return from the hinterlands and try to get out and meet old friends :boggiano: .  So we figured we would come back to JC for a visit.  And since the only way to get you people out is to ensure that :pint: s are readily available and since the Zeppelin Hall is the only place that is reasonably tolerant of :bebe: s we figured this was the best place to set this up.  We'd love to see everyone but we understand that this is pretty short notice.  We'll get there Sunday around 1 pm and will stay for a few hours (or until the kids break shit and get us kicked out).  Hope to see you all!

Calendar / Re: 2016 Liberty State Park Salt Marsh Cleanup
« on: 04-04-2016, 10:15am »
There must be some mistake: I don't see jehu in the pics. :|

Too bad jehu didn't make it but at least the Gorton's fisherman showed up.

General / Re: Disposing of an old Air Conditioner
« on: 09-11-2015, 02:38pm »
Just dump it down by the embankment (or in front of MCA's house).

Does this mean we can expect more intrusions of people trying to push copies of the Watchtower onto us?  Although I'll give this to the Mormons, they're much nicer than the people Comcast and the energy companies send around.

I think you're confusing your fringe religions. I also think the Mormons stopped going the door to door thing a few years back.

Sorry, you are absolutely correct.  I was thinking the Jehovah Witnesses out of JSQ.  And come to think of it I don't recall having any Mormons stop by in the past few years either. 

Does this mean we can expect more intrusions of people trying to push copies of the Watchtower onto us?  Although I'll give this to the Mormons, they're much nicer than the people Comcast and the energy companies send around. 

For Sale / Re: FREE Pot
« on: 05-05-2015, 04:12pm »
:rofl: Love you 😍  ;D HPD might be interested, I'll let you know

To sweeten the deal I'll even throw in a FREE kitten!  A FREE kitten in a FREE pot, cuteness is guaranteed to ensue!  How can you refuse?

For Sale / Re: FREE Pot
« on: 05-05-2015, 03:51pm »
Damn you Woodsy, I haven't been this let down or disappointed since that twatbag Julia Roberts won the Oscar over Ellen Burstyn.  :( >:D

No need to be let down.  Get your FREE pot and grow whatever you want in it.  I don't judge and neither will your FREE pot.

For Sale / FREE Pot
« on: 05-01-2015, 10:00am »
:dronabinol: Actually lots of FREE pots.  You want pots, come and get them.  Just in time for spring planting.  Some even come with FREE topsoil (or I can dump it out if you prefer). :dronabinol:

Crime & Safety / Re: Jersey City councilman accused of DWI
« on: 04-10-2015, 09:53am »
Show your support for drunk driving and no show jobs Chico!

Poll: Should Khemraj "Chico" Ramchal resign from the City Council of Jersey City

He added: "What do you want me to do? Do you want me to call for their resignations?"

Yes please.  TIA.

Restaurants & Bars / Re: Puccini's
« on: 01-16-2015, 01:54pm »
Looks like Salumeria Ercolano may stay open for a bit.

Puccini's, longtime hangout for Jersey City politicos, closing after 31 years
JERSEY CITY – Puccini's, a West Side Italian restaurant and catering hall that's been a Jersey City institution for 31 years, is closing its doors.

The location of countless political fundraisers and luncheons featuring Hudson County bigwigs, Puccini's is shutting its doors to make way for a large-scale residential development, sources tell The Jersey Journal.

Pasquale Iengo, an owner and head chef, wouldn't say who is buying Puccini's or what the new owner's plans are. Property records indicate the lot, located at West Side Avenue and Broadway, has not yet been sold.

There's no official closing date set. The restaurant is closed for the next two weeks for "vacation," Iengo said.

. . .

An attached Italian market and deli will remain open for business, according to Iengo.


Restaurants & Bars / Re: Puccini's
« on: 11-24-2014, 01:03pm »
I assume that means Salumeria Ercolano is closing too?  That's more distressing than Puccini's closing!  :'(

To really make a difference she also needs to start doing this:

Неуловимая девчонка на мотоцикле против мусора

. . . I disagree with his remark that, “If you reject GMOs, you reject it all,” because it’s not an objectively fair statement. 

The techniques we have been using to modify plant species for centuries are not analogous to the very young science of directly manipulating DNA, where we have astronomically more to learn than we presently know.  It’s perfectly sensible to approach one of these methods with more caution than the other.

Then don't call it GMO.  Because when you say GMO, you are referring to all such organisms, however long it took to achieve those results.  I think that's his point.  He explicitly stated,  "As in all new foods, transgenic or otherwise, they should be tested for safety. [how many times do I need to say that?] And they should be tested for their effect on the environment."

GMO refers only to organisms that that have been modified through genetic engineering.  GMO foods have only been available for the past twenty years and are the result of techniques very different than the ones we’ve been using to tailor plants and animals to our needs for centuries.  They share similar if not identical goals, but it's not accurate to call them then same thing. 

In my opinion, the biggest problem is that we don't know what to look for in terms of negative effects.  As with many young technologies, there's a chance we've introduced variables we don't know exist yet.

Maybe we need to use different terms then.  "Genetically modified" and "genetic engineering" are too broad and would encompass selective breeding and unnatural selection in addition to laboratory modification; we identify a trait in a plant or animal we like and encourage its propagation and expression in future generations.  Yes, doing it in a laboratory can involve different techniques than doing it on a farm but they have the same goals and the same results. 

As for your concern that we don’t know what to look for in terms of negative effects, how is that any different with cross breading different plant species?  OMG I created a Pluot.  Maybe there was something in an apricot and plum that shouldn’t have been mixed.   Maybe this synthetic fruit includes a chemical in that raises blood pressure, or increases cholesterol, or reduces fertility.  How do we know?  I don’t object to testing all of our foods to find out what is safe and what is dangerous but I don’t see why we should fool ourselves into thinking that laboratory-GMO foods are inherently more dangerous than unnaturally selected-GMO foods or native species for that matter (don’t get me started on ignorant people self-medicating with herbal supplements (not that herbal supplements are inherently bad, ignorance is the problem)).

My issue with seed patents is that plants will pollinate with whatever is around... if by natural selection a patented plant cross germinates with a open use plant; who owns the new plant?

If there is no inventor there is no patent and no ownership right.

Or if by natural causes your patented plant arrives in my field and grows, do I have to pay you for that?

Not if it is a Monsanto plant.  Monsanto has pledged not to enforce its patents in such situations and would now be enjoined from doing so.  This is an interesting case regarding said question.

I also think GMO food should be labeled.... Not as a warning, but so that we as consumers decide if we want to support GMO or natural farming.

Fine by me.  Just make sure that you identify all GMO foods including those modified by unnatural selection.  Or make two categories if you must, one modified by unnatural selection and one modified in a laboratory.

Dearest Woodsy,

As much respect as I have for your opinion - it may all be pseudo - science - and Dr. Neil de Grasse Tyson's, for myself the biggest concern is that corporations are able to patent "life." Particularly, agricultural life in the form of seeds. As I understand it, all plants adapt and evolve and Monsanto, et. al. are genetically forbidding them to do what comes naturally.

That to me, as only a flower gardener, seems short sighted. My dear father gathered grain and vegetable seeds from one year's harvest to the next and his crops were the better for it! With GMOs, farmers are unable to perform such plant-based husbandry, which means eventually food production will grind to a halt. A mono-agriculture in any number of areas of food production will flourish - corn, rice, wheat, potatoes, barley - until, the heavens forbid, some terrible blight. fungus, or adaptive species of insect will wipe all the mono-crops of a certain food stuffs away, not unlike the great potato famine in Ireland a century or so back.

Accepting change is hard, dearest Woodsy, but we are so much better off in the long run when we struggle and overcome it. Surely the same must be said for plants! From what little I learned from my dear Papa when he wasn't reading his books, rotating crops and harvesting seed is best left to the practiced eye of the tiller of soil. Not some money hungry corporation who is allowed to "patent" life and enslave farmers by forcing them to buy the same few varieties of seeds year after year.

Practice economy good sir or madam and demand the right to harvest your own seeds! You'll be the better and the wiser for it!

Dearest Miss Eliza Bennet,

I'm sorry but any time anyone brings up "Monsanto" I must ::).  The ignorance surrounding this company and its products is staggering and inexorably any time they are mentioned they are trotted out as the big bad GMO bogey monster who will poison your children and sue you if you try to resist their evil monopoly.  The facts simply don't hold up.  Rather than getting distracted by all the misinformation out there I will focus on your concerns.

First off you mention the fact that your father planted and reharvested seeds and that his plants were better for it and that GMOs make this impossible.  No one is preventing a farmer from planting non-GMO seeds and practicing unnatural selection to identify the best crops and reuse their seeds for planting during the next season. 

However, if the farmer uses GMO seeds then said seeds were purchased subject to a license agreement with the seed company which prohibits the farmer from replanting seeds from his or her harvest.  There is nothing nefarious about that.  Many products covered by intellectual property are sold subject to license agreements which restrict the rights of end users.  The law allows this.  This allows the intellectual property holder to monetize something which likely required vast expenditures of money and resources to develop.  Absent such protection would a company spend billions to develop a product which could be copied merely by planting seeds in a field and tending to them?

Simply put, if you want to plant and reharvest seeds for future plantings great, just don't buy seeds that are subject to a license agreement which forbid replanting harvested seeds.

As for some super disease or bug wiping out GMO foodstuffs I don't share your concern.  I am far more concerned with climate change, the depletion of the Ogallala Aquifer and the desertification of vast swaths of farm land which we are already seeing in parts of California, Texas, and will soon start to see in the rest of the American Southwest.  These are problems I expect science to help solve by developing drought tolerant crops (probably GMO crops) and the like.  Change can be scary but if we are to adapt in our ever changing environment then science must help guide us.

PS, plant patents have been around since 1930.  Here's the first one to issue.

Thanks but I think I'll skip the pseudoscience docudrama.  I find it pretty shameful that Jersey City would sponsor or promote such blatant fear mongering. 

From someone who is actually a scientist:

"Interesting to see the range of reaction to my GMO remarks. One blog proclaimed "Tyson tells Liberals to Chill Out". When in fact I never mentioned anything about politics or political affiliations at all. Other blogs proclaimed that I supported GMOs, asking if I was paid by Monsanto. And in other places, the reaction could only be described as virulent.

 I maintain the sense, thrust, and meaning of my comments.

 In fact -- apart from my "chill out" quip in the video, which clearly deserved further explanation -- I didn't really vote one way or another on GMOs. You want to distinguish how genes are modified? Okay, then label everything, and create two subcategories of GMO. One that indicates laboratory and one that indicates agriculture. I said this explicitly in my Facebook post.

 Furthermore, I never said GMOs were safer or more dangerous. I implied that if you think GMO-laboratory is **inherently** more dangerous to human life than GMO-agriculture you are simply wrong. They both can be bad for the environment. They both can be less healthy. They both can disrupt the local flora and fauna. But both methods wield an awesome power to improve food in every way that matters to humans: yields, appearance, vitamin content, sweetness, resistance to insects, resistance to weather extremes, and so forth.

 As in all new foods, transgenic or otherwise, they should be tested for safety. [how many times do I need to say that?] And they should be tested for their effect on the environment. If the regulatory system is failing at this then it should be modified. And if the tests indicate a risk to the health of some humans and a benefit to others, then this should appear on the labeling. By the way, we already do this for peanuts, to protect people from peanut allergies. But there's no talk of banning them.

 I note, of course, that we don't do this for wheat - a fully domesticated, genetically modified food. Yet many people suffer from wheat (gluten) allergies. Meanwhile foods that contain gluten display no explicit warnings at all. You just know that you're not supposed to buy and eat that baguette if you suffer from this condition.

 Imagine if today, scientists showed you the Aurochs Wild Ox, and said -- "Give us time. In just a few years, we will genetically modify this wild animal, turning it into a different sub species whose sole purpose is to provide vast quantities of milk for humans to drink. They will produce 10x as much milk as did the original animal. But they will require vast grasslands to sustain. And some of you will get sick because you won't be able to digest the lactose. But no need to label this fact. People will just figure this out on their own. The rest of you will be fine. We'll call the result a Holstein Milk Cow."

 What would anti GMO-laboratory people say this story? Would they embrace it or reject it? Of course, over the past 10,000 years, this is exactly what we've done to that Ox - or whatever is the agreed-upon origin of the domesticated Cow. Call it GMO-agriculture. If you reject GMOs you fundamentally reject it all.

 Finally, I found it odd that people presumed I was taking sides. As an educator, my priority is to make sure people are informed -- accurately and honestly. For the purposes of general enlightenment, but especially before drawing policy or legislation that could affect us all.

 I have nothing more to add. Or to subtract. On to other topics for me."

 -Neil deGrasse Tyson

PS: Here's the New Yorker's review describing how intellectually dishonest this "documentary" is.

Great job Rabelais!  We had a great time and hope to go again next year.

News / Re: Group hopes to rid Jersey City of plastic bags
« on: 04-28-2014, 03:56pm »
Or how about just starting to enforce the anti-littering ordinance and issuing tickets to anyone who litters?  It would not only help the plastic bag problem but also the general trash and chicken bone problem.

General / Re: Jersey City Employment & Training Program
« on: 03-04-2014, 02:11pm »

If you are trying to say that you are fighting corruption and cronyism it doesn't make sense to hire someone like McKnight.

Or McGreevey.

Government & Politics / Re: The Fulop Agenda
« on: 02-17-2014, 02:19pm »
There seems to be such a double standard not only on the part of our Mayor, but, also on the part of some of the people in our community who see this as a non-issue. The same community that rallied City-hall after Operation Big-Rig. Granted, McKnight was not an elected official and was only the “Director” who defrauded the City and State in what was and still may be largest corruption case in state history. How would you all feel if let's say Mayor Fulop hired Leona Beldini (who I happen to feel is a very nice person). Is that ok? Also, what message does this send out to other City workers…don’t worry, steal 5 million +, do a lil’ jail time and we will hire you back…no worries.

I completely agree.  I understand that McKnight isn't on the city payroll but I'm not surprised that McGreedy hired him.  :fulop: needs to start seriously looking at the people with whom he is surrounding himself.  Because they, and the choices that they make, reflect poorly on him.

The main streets were pretty clean this morning but the side streets were just a sheet of ice.

Government & Politics / Re: Re: The Fulop Agenda
« on: 02-07-2014, 02:11pm »

Say it ain't so Steve. This idea sucks.

I can't believe I'm saying this but . . . I agree with Kindelan!
(apparently it's a cold day in hell :brrr: )

Is "repairing" the obsolete and decrepit structure that it the Pulaski Skyway rather than replacing it, and only keeping it open in one direction during the repaiars also retaliation for failing to endorse Christie?

News / Re: Waste management is out?
« on: 01-03-2014, 11:57am »
I give the new hauler a C+. Last night, they picked up our garbage and paper recycling but left the bottles & cans. Thanks, Fulop!

No complaints from me (yet).  They got all the garbage Wednesday night and all the recycling last night.  I've had your problem with Waste Management before too.

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