The Falcon & The Snowball: Banned from JCLIST

[TMN]

hi, my name is Seamus and I'm a former jclister.  {this is where y'all say hi seamus}

I too have had many a post deleted and after the last semi-threatning email from RF will no longer post there either.  I haven't logged back on in quite a few weeks so I don't actually know if he has officially banned me but why bother logging on to find out.

Welcome Seamus! Hey, at least you got a semi-threatening email from that fella. I got absolutely no response as to why my posts were deleted. Talk about lack of integrity.

[MCA™]

Hi Seamus. 

Can we convince you to re-post said email? No pressure, of course.

[bdlaw]

Whatup, Seamus, welcome aboard!

[shahaggy]

hi, my name is Seamus and I'm a former jclister.  {this is where y'all say hi seamus}

I too have had many a post deleted and after the last semi-threatning email from RF will no longer post there either.  I haven't logged back on in quite a few weeks so I don't actually know if he has officially banned me but why bother logging on to find out.

[alb]

welcome to wired, webbie.....

Could it be that Rabbit, Falcon and FAB are roommates, friends, etc. who sometimes share a computer or a wifi hotspot, or maybe an anonymizer?

Reasoning: I am very definitely my own unique self. For good or for ill, a fair number of Wired JC and JC List users have met me in person and know that I'm me.

FAB always seemed fairly friendly toward me.

Rabbit seemed to be sort of insulting, then mellowed out when he realized that mocking me was like shooting a fish in a water glass.

Falcon in private moderating e-mails seems, to me, to be brutally mean. Maybe he's just typing on a Blackberry and is trying to be brief, rather than mean, but to me, he seems mean. (Over formatting stuff like responding to replies to my posts one by one, rather than remembering to clump the replies in one big e-mail.)

If these "three users" are all sock puppets for the same guy, how does Falcon keep all of the personas so separate? Why doesn't Rabbit sometimes post like FAB, or FAB like Rabbit Rabbit?

[jcpeace]

but didn't we determine that Rabbit=Falcon=fatassbike?

welcome to wired, webbie.....

I do not currently see any other users with this user's IP address.

Just sayin'.

you *clearly* don't have access to the same info that i have......

[bdlaw]

but didn't we determine that Rabbit=Falcon=fatassbike?

welcome to wired, webbie.....

I do not currently see any other users with this user's IP address.

Just sayin'.

[jcpeace]

but didn't we determine that Rabbit=Falcon=fatassbike?

Is that really true?

If so: I think the priority would be to try to have the Fat Ass Biker persona be posting somewhere, because it seems as if he (?) knows a lot about how construction works. If I had to choose between humor, Libertarian politics and knowing whether I'm doing something that could make my house fall down, I'll pick option C.

absolutely true. all of fabs "construction" posts were cut and paste jobs....real easy.

[alb]

but didn't we determine that Rabbit=Falcon=fatassbike?

Is that really true?

If so: I think the priority would be to try to have the Fat Ass Biker persona be posting somewhere, because it seems as if he (?) knows a lot about how construction works. If I had to choose between humor, Libertarian politics and knowing whether I'm doing something that could make my house fall down, I'll pick option C.

[jcpeace]

but didn't we determine that Rabbit=Falcon=fatassbike?

welcome to wired, webbie.....

[AmbushBug]

For once we are in complete agreement.

[NON]

Here's the "uproarious debacle" where of the 129 posts in the thread spanning 2 years, 27 of them are by RR himself,  50 or so were in no way supportive of reinstating the rabbit, and a number of the rest of them are just the same users repeating themselves. Of the people signed on to that thread less than 10 (including myself and Rx2) are known members of WiredJC.

Legend in his own mind, with a flair for revisionist history.

 

[NON]

i have been banned, not once, not twice but 5 times - the first was 3 years ago this month in an uproarious debacle where the JCListers (many of them here on WiredJC now) fought to get me back on.

But JCList is boring these days and you cant even stir up any good shit.

Currently i am unable to even access the site, a trick Falcon uses judiciously. And frankly, i am the better off for it.

Sometimes the addict needs to be forced into the cold turkey arena.

and people here (which you have badmouthed indiscriminately) are supposed to care because...?

[Pinky]

i have been banned, not once, not twice but 5 times - the first was 3 years ago this month in an uproarious debacle where the JCListers (many of them here on WiredJC now) fought to get me back on.

But JCList is boring these days and you cant even stir up any good shit.

Currently i am unable to even access the site, a trick Falcon uses judiciously. And frankly, i am the better off for it.

Sometimes the addict needs to be forced into the cold turkey arena.

[rabbitrabbit]

i have been banned, not once, not twice but 5 times - the first was 3 years ago this month in an uproarious debacle where the JCListers (many of them here on WiredJC now) fought to get me back on.

But JCList is boring these days and you cant even stir up any good shit.

Currently i am unable to even access the site, a trick Falcon uses judiciously. And frankly, i am the better off for it.

Sometimes the addict needs to be forced into the cold turkey arena.

[duke_of_earl]

Here is perhaps a timely and relevant analysis done on another site regarding one site that censored content and another that welcomed it.

doe

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The Effects of Censorship: A Tale of Two Websites

As controversial as the use of polygraphs may be, there are for all intents and purposes only two websites with public forums devoted to the discussion of polygraph issues: PolygraphPlace.com (a for-profit, commercial website operated by a polygraph examiner) and AntiPolygraph.org (a not-for-profit, public interest website). A comparison between these two forums, both of which have been on-line for roughly eight years, offers an object lesson in the effects of censorship, as the former is censored, and the latter is not. The bottom line up front: the uncensored forum has roughly (read more)...

[TheBadGuyWins]

Obviously, he has reached a new low.  I really don't think anything more needs to be said.

I think this is really a technical/site design issue.

As it is now, Falcon feels as if he has to weed out boring and off-topic posts, not just ad spam and posts that are illegal, dangerous, outrageously offensive, etc.

The ideal would be to have a user post rating system and let users screen for posts according to the ratings, and/or to let people "killfile" users whose posts they don't want to see.

That way, Falcon could focus on moderating out the posts that are really problem posts and let his users screen out the irritating posts and the posts that disrupt conversation.

how colorful life would be if it was a see no evil world 

[CeeDub]

Would it matter?

I'm trying to shift to this site to see if I can reduce my removed post/scary message from moderator rate here, but I think it does really matter, because, whatever the faults of JCList, Falcon has attracted a lot of people to the site and a lot of interesting conversations start there.

Welcome Alb.  This is where conversation continues intelligently and politely.  No duplicitous trolls, a real community to support and defend the virtual relationships.

We got you(r) back!!

[Case]

The ideal would be to have a user post rating system and let users screen for posts according to the ratings, and/or to let people "killfile" users whose posts they don't want to see.

OtR they have a feature to block the posts of selected users. Seemed quite useless to me.  How can a poster participate intelligently while ignorant of what's being said by others?  It's like boxing with your eyes closed.  In the words of the stoic philosopher. "There are many things my father taught me here in this room. He taught me: keep your friends close, but your enemies closer."

[alb]

Would it matter?

I'm trying to shift to this site to see if I can reduce my removed post/scary message from moderator rate here, but I think it does really matter, because, whatever the faults of JCList, Falcon has attracted a lot of people to the site and a lot of interesting conversations start there.

[elgoodo]

Would it matter?

See jcpeace's sig.

[jcpeace]

Alternately, he could just close down his website before it closes down upon him, diminished to nothing by his now clearly subjective and personal deletion of anything not to his liking.

that works 

[jennymayla]

I don't see how deleting a plea for humanitarian aid with regard to a natural disaster has anything to do with a "technical/site design issue."

Sorry if I was unclear. But I think the problem is that the Webmaster at JCList thinks he has to be responsible for maintaining an orderly conservation, not just deleting seriously rule-violating comments, such as ad spam.

If the Web site had technical features that permitted users to screen posts more easily, or maybe to troll rate/ban/hide users who were too crazy, too boring or too off-topic, then the Webmaster wouldn't face as much temptation to play god.

Example: at Yahoo, people can rate comments on a scale of 1 to 5, and then choose whether, for example, to see only unrated comments and comments with ratings of 2 or higher.

Alternately, he could just close down his website before it closes down upon him, diminished to nothing by his now clearly subjective and personal deletion of anything not to his liking.

Would it matter?

[alb]

I don't see how deleting a plea for humanitarian aid with regard to a natural disaster has anything to do with a "technical/site design issue."

Sorry if I was unclear. But I think the problem is that the Webmaster at JCList thinks he has to be responsible for maintaining an orderly conservation, not just deleting seriously rule-violating comments, such as ad spam.

If the Web site had technical features that permitted users to screen posts more easily, or maybe to troll rate/ban/hide users who were too crazy, too boring or too off-topic, then the Webmaster wouldn't face as much temptation to play god.

Example: at Yahoo, people can rate comments on a scale of 1 to 5, and then choose whether, for example, to see only unrated comments and comments with ratings of 2 or higher.

[CeeDub]

absolute power corrupts absolutely.

you get the government website you deserve.