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Offline PhillyGirl

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« Reply #17 on: 05-15-2007, 06:46pm »
Cool!  I'll check it out.
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« Reply #16 on: 05-15-2007, 06:39pm »
PhillyGirl, this kind of service has been available for a while  -- Google 'CD ripping service' to find one. There are a couple of articles reviewing the various services too.

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« Reply #15 on: 05-15-2007, 05:38pm »
It's not so much that I "couldn't" figure out how to load it all up myself, its that I don't want to.  I truly do not have the patience for that kind of repetitive task.  Thus, I can't imagine that I will get any sort of ipod-like device until this sort of service emerges.
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« Reply #14 on: 05-15-2007, 12:33pm »
PG asks an interesting question.  The answer is NO to the best of my knowledge.  But it's my bet that this is how people will be buying music in the future.... "uh, can have an iPod of the Beatles please?"

As you can guess from my post, I'm still on the ropes about Apple, and yes, everyone's needs are different.  I give a + [BIG] 1 to Justi's verbal tirade of MS for virtually forcing windoze users to download an "upgrade" that supposedly fights piracy.  But I digress.  I use my computer for mostly the usual - spreadsheets and word processing - Office is noticeably inferior on the Mac.  And for the life of me, I can't understand why the Palm desktop software is so sucky for the Mac -- I rely on this program hugely.  And then there's burning and listening to music a major use of my PC.  As for the latter (listening), Apple's got more built in hardware options and is far superior than windoze.  But burning, jukeboxes, converting I'm not so sure about. 
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« Reply #13 on: 05-15-2007, 11:38am »
c'mon PG!! if my less-than-tech-savvy, girlfriend and her even lesser-than-tech savvy mom could rip cds and put them on an ipod.....so can you!!

the mac line of products has always been geared towards ease of use...

now get to it, girl!!
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« Reply #12 on: 05-15-2007, 11:25am »
Luddite here again.

I don't know if this is the right thread for this, but I have a question:  Does anybody have an ipod-filling service?  Or sell pre-loaded ipods?

I do not have an ipod.  I find the barrier to entry to be too much.  I want someone to load the cds I have and load a range of other music based upon some broad criteria from me. Does anyone do this?  And what would it cost?

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« Reply #10 on: 05-15-2007, 10:52am »
I think GLX sums it up pretty well: it depends on the mission.
I did own a windows NT system, which was in use from '99-2004. at the time of the purchase, i really needed a reliable video editing workstation that was capable of inputing both analog and digital sources. The macs video editing solution, final cut pro, was just getting off the ground then and was extrememely unreliable. this is the only PC that i ever owned, and because my professional experience was mac oriented, trouble shooting the PC was ver difficult for me.

well, things have come a long way since then and apple's pro media product line has evolved significantly. Final Cut Studio, now offers a complete solution to media...(although i think their sound programs are ass) that is fully integrated and evolves as the OS evolves.

During the past 12 years, I have purchased and administered 30-40 macs, I have rarely had significant problems with them. Mac tech support is ok to adequate and tekserve and the apple stores are filled with clowns pretending to be technicians. but these machines are so easy to administer that it doesn't really matter.

And those mac laptops can really take a beating!! I've been all over the world doing performances and sound installations and not ONCE did any of my powerbooks let me down...

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« Reply #9 on: 05-15-2007, 06:04am »
Glx, respectfully disagree, but this is an unending debate.

I use a pc at work, and a mac at home.  Bought a reconditioned ibook back in 2001 from Tekserve, and report (along with all my other macs) that in my experience, they are super-rock-solid machines with little failure, super-user-friendly, and have what I consider to be the smartest tech support online from the mac-using community.  Used to be Macs were more for graphics types.  This is changing really fast with the advent of the cube and the ibook.

The great thing about mac is, even if you just want to take the red-eye out of Xmas photos, you can much more easily go back and forth between graphic needs and office needs on a Mac IMO.

I'm sorry to report that my experience with PC at work is just garbage.  Now in fairness, since we are on servers, I understand the 15 minutes it takes to start up because of all the firewalling.  I also understand that as Mac takes larger market share, I will no longer love the fact that viruses are almost unheard of on a Mac.  PC's general user interface (now, where are those temp internet files again??) is lame.

I've definitely had the best bang for my buck with my ibook.  Even at the somewhat higher price, it's been a dream machine.

My one complaint:  if you need patches for drivers, etc. Mac can be a pain. There is a much bigger need to stay up-to-date with OS.

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« Reply #8 on: 05-15-2007, 05:40am »
As much as I'd like to agree or disagree with people in this thread, I can't.  Whether or not a Mac is right for you is 100% dependant on what you do with it on a daily basis.  I work in a place that's 50% creative (application programming), 25% sales, 25% technology support, and I can tell you that of the 50% creative side, most of them use and prefer Macs.  The sales guys all prefer PC's, and the technology support is split about 50/50. 

Personally I used a MacBook Pro for the first 3 months of my current job and ended up switching back to a PC.  I *wanted* to like the MBP, but in reality spent about 75% of my time in Parallels (a Windows virtual machine that runs on OS X) for applications that I *required* that had no functional equivalent on the Mac,  so at that point it didn't seem worth it to keep the Mac (with no f!@#* two-button touchpad?  We get it already, how cute, you still have one button but can emulate two), and so switched back to a PC.

Does that mean I'm a zealot that will say that Macs are right for nobody?  No.  We actually have both in my house.  Sometimes it's the right tool for the job, sometimes it's not.
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« Reply #7 on: 05-14-2007, 11:42pm »
It's really hard not to blam apple for being paranoid, as most of the good "features" of windows (such as the GUI) were straight up ripped off of apple.  If Microsoft had its way, we'dd all be entering longhand data into our computers with green screens.


I've had a mac for approximately 6 months.  I finally had to give up the ghost on my old PC when the anti-virus necessary to protect that worm-ridden piece of shit of an operating system was actually killing my efficiency as badly as any virus would.  Also, microsoft wanted to download something onto my computer, called an "update" to "help improve their service to me" by "fighting piracy" by "verifying the copyright of programs running on my computer."  I believe that's called "spyware" is it not?  And every time I said "no," it would ask again at startup.  Every time.

Internet explorer is crap.  But still, you can't delete the icon from the desktop.  Why?  It's basically microsoft saying "fuck you."  If I am trying to delete internet explorer, then I celarly dont wan't internet explorer.  But microsoft wants to punish you for not using its products, and it does.


But that's just sour grapes.  Even if microsoft didn't vigourously fellate my left testicle, my iMac would be a joy to work with.

It indeed has few games.  I got civ, that's enough for me.  If I want games, I'll buy a console.  But its ability to handle graphics is superb, and smoovalicious.  It can juggle several dozen RAW files from my Canon without, whereas my PC would lock up trying to merge 3 jpegs.  As far a sgraphics goes, MAc is unparalleled.

It's also a beautiful machine.  Very simple, few cords, easy to connect and diconnect.  I wanted to take it into another room for a party last week, I moved it across the house, decided I didn't like that, and moved it back.  All of this in under five minutes!  I defy anyone to do that with a PC.

It's a well designed machine.  And it truly has been designed, rather than slapped together like an IBM tower (possibly designed by monkeys or engineers), or torked up in a black sabbathy, alienware way.  The design is conservative, lean, as "bauhaus" as one can be in this day and age.  It really deserves a place in moma.

beautiful.  I love it.  And if you used one or saw one in action, you would love it to.

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« Reply #6 on: 05-14-2007, 04:53pm »
Elgoodo, your problem is specific to iPods, which are inded complicated piece of equipment. They're tiny little harddrives and ergo prone to all sorts of mechanical issues that are totally beyond the knowledge of your average Apple Store employee. For this reason, it's Apple's policy to never fix any iPod a customer brings into a store. They've decided it's faster just to give you a new one, and ship yours back to be refurbished. Still, it sucks if you weren't expecting it and didn't back it up.

As for their other support, I've generally found it to be kinda crappy but a helluva lot better than any other support I've ever dealt with. A few months ago my MacBook died within a few weeks of buying it (it was a design flaw that affected nearly every unit they sold that month) and I was able to bring it in to the Apple Store, get it diagnosed within fifteen minutes, and fixed, free of charge, by the next day. I can't imagine any company (I'm talking to you, Verizon!) competing with that.

Of course, you do have a good point that, as they become more popular, their service will probably suffer--it's easy to have great support with such a small market share. We'll have to wait and see.
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« Reply #5 on: 05-14-2007, 04:47pm »
The Short Hills store was the one who didn't know how to fix my ipod problem.
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« Reply #4 on: 05-14-2007, 04:45pm »
I found a definite difference in the quality of the stores.  Also, I suppose you know, but the stores are franchises and not owned directly by Apple... for the most part.

Level 1 tech phone tech support is a joke and I get the feeling it's farmed out to India, at least on Sundays.  My only saving grace with support is with the store in the Short Hills Mall.  When I get frustrated, I call them up and speak with a "genius."  So far, they've come through.

But jeez, GENIUS BAR?!  I expected to be offered a frappuccino when I went there.
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« Reply #3 on: 05-14-2007, 04:40pm »
I have a theory that, as Apple's popularity soars, their quality control is going down the shitter.

I just switched to Mac about a year or two ago.  I love my G4 Powerbook;  I really do.  And unless my theory is proven correct to a RIDICULOUS degree, I have no intention of EVER going back to PC.  But I must admit I am frightened when I hear some of the horror stories of Apple as of late.  And I have some experience with the Genius Bar people that, while the end result wasn't that big a deal, certainly causes me to question the "genius" qualifications of those dudes.  Long story short - I had a problem with an ipod...a freakin' ipod.  Not that complicated a piece of equipment.  I took it in.  They were not able, or willing, to effectively solve the problem.  They gave me a new ipod.  Fair enough.  Except, even with the brand new replacement, the problem still persisted.  I googled it, and within two minutes, I diagnosed my own problem and found a way to fix it.  And I'm NOT tech savvy.
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« Reply #2 on: 05-14-2007, 04:01pm »
I would like to annouce that I don't understand a single word of MrGrieves' post. 
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« Reply #1 on: 05-14-2007, 09:45am »
Today's Times had this article on PC World's article about Apple.. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/14/business/media/14pcworld.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Before we go any further though....my limited experience.  Before I bought a Mac notebook, I only had about 4 or 5 reasons to hate them.  Most of these reasons were probably unfounded and based on some sort of prejudice about detesting apples ever since I ate a crabapple a few centuries ago.  Now that I've had my Mac for almost a solid 2 weeks, I have found meaningful reasons to love and hate them.  The fact that I had to get my Mac replaced after 1 week didn't sit too well.  Level 1 tech support sucks unless you have a half-assed question like how to use the backspace key.  The limitation of 3rd party programs is very very true, and in the end, might be a reason I get a full refund.  And it seems the 3rd party programs made for both systems are far inferior on the Mac.  I guess Office should be a given, but why does my Mac Palm desktop software suck so bad? 

What do I like?  The engineering is incredible.  The design is so much better than Windows PC's and everything seems to fit in so well together.  Not being scared to death of a virus is a huge plus.  But is that enough?  I dunno.  Someone tell me why I should love my Mac.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130994-c,macs/article.html

10 Things We Hate About Apple

It's high time we unloaded on the high-and-mighty Mac maker.
Narasu Rebbapragada and Alan Stafford, PC World

Monday, May 07, 2007 03:00 AM PDT
(Editor's note: For background on this article and its unusual history, read this note.)

The company formerly known as Apple Computer and now called simply Apple, Inc. is unique in many ways--including in its ability to drive even folks who admire it positively batty. It makes great products (usually), yet its secretiveness about them borders on paranoia, and its adoring fans can be incredibly irritating. Of course, its fans have to put up with some irritations, too: Simply being a member of the club still means you must endure unending jabs from the other side of the socio-political-techno aisle. But do they have to wear their suffering as a badge of honor?

Today, we--that's us, Narasu and Alan, veteran Mac users both--are going to get some stuff off our chests. We've enumerated ten things we hate about Apple (or its followers, or simply about the experience of using its products). But in the interest of fair play (not to be confused with FairPlay, Apple's DRM technology) we're also publishing another list--Ten Things We Love About Apple.

Use the Comment link at the end of this article to add your own gripes about Apple--or to defend it.

And so, with protective helmets in place, off we go:

1: Free Speech, Anyone?
Even if you're no Apple fan, this particular issue might not rise to the top of your own personal gripe list--but hey, we're journalists. So sue us.

Er, that's probably not the right turn of phrase to use, considering that in December 2004, Apple filed a lawsuit against the AppleInsider, O'Grady's PowerPage, and Think Secret Web sites for posting information about upcoming technologies that Apple had shared with outsiders under nondisclosure agreements. In the case of O'Grady, the news was of a FireWire interface for GarageBand. In the words of O'Grady himself: "yawn."

Apple pressured the sites to reveal their sources, and even worse, pressured the sites' ISPs. In May 2006, a California court said no way, ruling that online journalists enjoy the same First Amendment rights as "legitimate" offline journalists. Seems silly in today's world, doesn't it? Recently, the court ordered Apple to pay the sites' legal fees--about $700,000.

2. More Secretive Than Homeland Security
Those feds are secretive, but they're no match for Apple reps' infuriating stock answer: "We don't comment on future product plans." Being an Apple adherent means never knowing for sure if the shiny new MacBook or iPod you just bought is about to be rendered obsolete by a Steve Jobs keynote.

Of course, Apple is merely the most famous secretive Silicon Valley company, not the only hush-mouthed one. And tight lips make for explosive buzz when the company does decide to drop a bombshell. But contrast Apple's secrecy with Microsoft's lack thereof--Bill Gates, Steve Ballmer, and company love to talk about their company's upcoming products, and they still get their fair share of buzz. Even though many of those plans have a tendency to not actually come true.

3. Ain't Too Proud to Blame
When Apple shipped iPods containing a worm last year, instead of issuing a humble mea culpa, Apple took a swipe at Microsoft, saying, "As you might imagine, we are upset at Windows for not being more hardy against such viruses, and even more upset with ourselves for not catching it." As you can imagine, that didn't fly with security experts. How about an apology to the folks who were unlucky enough to buy the infected iPods, period?

4. iHate iAnything


Apple first floated the idea of product names with a leading lowercase letter in 1994 with eWorld, an ill-conceived online service that went belly-up after a year and a half. But when it introduced the original iMac in 1998, it hit on a phenomenal success--and prompted hundreds of third-party manufacturers to follow with sickeningly cute Bondi Blue products with names that also began with a lowercase "i." Now dozens of Apple and third-party product names begins with "i." Their manufacturers are all jumping on the bandwagon, hoping that a single letter will sway us to buy their stuff. Meanwhile, you can't even start sentences with the products' names.

Is it any wonder that we're inclined to like Apple TV in part because it turned out not to be iTV? Or that we're kind of sorry that Apple was able to strike a deal with Cisco to share the name iPhone?

5. Where's the Blu-ray?
Steve Jobs was the CEO of animated-movie studio Pixar; Apple is represented on the Blu-ray Disc Association board of directors. The Mac is supposed to be the computer of choice for video professionals.

So where is the option for a Blu-ray Disc or HD DVD player in the fancy new quad-core and eight-core Mac Pros? They're stuck with the same-old SuperDrive. Mac apologists will no doubt provide you with a complex explanation of why this makes perfect sense, but the fact is that next-generation optical drives are available and make sense for some folks, and Macs don't have them. (If the company announces support for one or the other by the time you read this, see "More Secretive Than Homeland Security" above for why we didn't know about it.)

6. Nobody's Perfect


All companies make design mistakes, and in truth, Apple makes far fewer than most. But, despite what the most extreme aficionados say, even Apple's design sense isn't anywhere near flawless. And when it makes goofs, they tend to be doozies.

Examples: The iMac's perfectly-round, ergonomically egregious puck mouse, or the Toilet-Seat iBook (complete with handle). Don't forget the Shuffle audio player, whose lack of a screen or other discernable navigation aid Apple has successfully spun as a "feature." (Yes, we know that the Shuffle is wildly popular--and yes, we'd still rather buy a player that can tell us what it's playing.)

7. Give Me a Sign
Does anyone want to tell us when the next Mac OS X software updates will hit? What security vulnerabilities Apple is working on fixing? In April, Apple released a patch that plugged more than two dozen vulnerabilities--with absolutely zero advance notice. Mac users were wide open to attacks, and they never knew it. Even Microsoft (usually) tells people when to expect patches, and often tells you how to protect yourself until the patches are ready.

8. No Good For Gaming
Browse the Apple Store's games selection--go on, we'll wait. Oh, back so soon?

That's understandable, because sorting the store's games selection by the newest available produces titles that were introduced two or more years ago on Windows. Games have always been scarce on the Mac, and Apple still can't convince many developers to make their titles compatible with its computers. Apple does equip some of its systems with high-end graphics cards, but with slim pickings to play on them, they're a waste of money for most people.

True, Apple's Boot Camp will let you run Windows games on a Mac, but we still don't know many hardcore gamers who choose to go that route.

9. Limited Selection


Apple offers just three desktop computer systems these days--and one of them is the Mac Mini, with its aging processor, piddly 512MB of RAM, and tiny 60GB hard drive. Neither the Mac Mini nor the iMac accepts internal upgrades beyond more memory, so to get a system that will accept additional components later, you'll have to spring for a dual-processor Mac Pro, which starts at a steep $2200.

You can buy a starter Windows system for less than a fourth the cost of the Mac Pro; later on, if you decide you need a speed boost, you can buy a new motherboard and CPU and probably install them yourself. If you want a speed boost on the Mac, you have to buy a whole new Mac.

In the portable realm, MacBooks and MacBook Pros are nice machines. But again, you get only three choices. Opt for Windows, and you can choose anything from palm-sized micro-PCs like the OQO Model 2 to huge, honkin' laptops that are more powerful than any mobile Mac.

10. Doesn't Play Well With Others
Give Apple credit for (finally) allowing Windows to run on the Mac. But the company still maintains a closed-door policy on many aspects of its technology. For example, iPods play only a couple of transportable audio file formats (AAC and MP3); they won't play files in Microsoft's WMA format, used by much of the rest of the world. Even the much-derided Microsoft Zune plays all three formats. And if you import WMA files into iTunes, you must wait while the application converts them to its favored AAC format.

Okay, we understand that DRM has been a necessity to get music companies to release music for sale on the iTunes Music Store. But our bigger gripe is that you can't play music purchased from the iTunes Music Store on anything but an iPod or the upcoming iPhone, because Apple won't license its FairPlay digital rights management technology to makers of other audio players. Even if those players recognize AAC files, they can't decrypt them, so they won't play. Even when Apple begins selling music without DRM, you'll pay extra for it; most tracks will still have the DRM restrictions.
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