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Vote No on casino expansion | Editorial
« Reply #90 on: 10-17-2016, 12:08pm »
Vote No on casino expansion | Editorial
By  Star-Ledger Editorial Board
on October 14, 2016 at 5:15 PM

Everyone agrees that $4 billion in private investment is a great thing, especially if it helps create 43,000 jobs (directly and locally), generates revenue that will help seniors and people with disabilities, and turbocharges the revitalization of Atlantic City.

That's what the proponents of casino expansion say can happen next month if voters approve the constitutional amendment on the ballot, which calls for two more gambling facilities in North Jersey.

So what's not to like?

Drill deeper, and it's not hard to find out.

A prime objective is to help Atlantic City transition to a broader tourist economy by diverting an unspecified share of the revenue generated up north, but the 73-word initiative is so vaguely drawn it's hard to know how quickly that transition will come.

The amendment makes no mention of the tax rate imposed on the new casinos, and Assemblyman Chris Brown (R-Atlantic) accuses legislative leaders of giving developers too much of a voice in that decision: "If this isn't the tail wagging the dog," he says, "I don't know what is."

It also doesn't specify casino locations, and how much the state must contribute for infrastructure. Even though it is widely assumed developers Paul Fireman and Jeff Gural would build in Jersey City and the Meadowlands, they are essentially given free reign and a blank canvas.

And consider: Atlantic City's gaming future already appears dismal, so adding casinos in Bergen and Hudson Counties could cannibalize the market, unless it expedites AC's non-gambling development, job placement programs, and infrastructure improvements.

For these reasons, we encourage voters to vote no on Public Question No. 1 on Nov. 8.

That's already how it's been trending: A Rutgers poll from Sept. 10 has 58 percent opposing casino expansion and only 35 percent approving; a Stockton poll from Sept. 21 has 68 percent opposed. The Fireman-Gural group, known as OUR Turn NJ, has already suspended its ad campaign.

But we also encourage lawmakers and developers to take another crack at it – preferably before the ban on New York City casinos ends in 2020 – because this might be the last chance New Jersey has to keep its disposable income from flowing into neighboring economies.

They can start by heeding the lesson from previous initiatives. In 1974, there was a referendum to establish casinos in unnamed places with proceeds going to state treasury, and it was defeated in a 60-40 rout. Two years later, a referendum specified casinos in Atlantic City - with revenue going towards reducing property taxes and paying utility costs for seniors and the disabled – and it passed easily (56-43).

The next referendum must erase hypotheticals, specify the sites where they'll plant the shovels, and explain the tax structure. That way, it can't be beaten to death by New York-based opposition groups such as Trenton's Bad Bet, which spent $11.3 million warning us that casinos and traffic will soon clog our backyards.

That doubt has come to dominate the referendum debate.

Polling released by OUR Turn NJ showed that only 19 percent of New Jerseyans believe the state is headed in the right direction, that only 10 percent believe that the state can deliver on the estimated $500 million in annual revenue from the new casinos, and 50 percent think that revenue would be filched by politicians "for their own priorities."

Cynical bunch, New Jerseyans.

The Legislature tried to clarify it last month by proposing Assembly Continuing Resolution 206, which Gov. Christie supports. It states that casinos would be located near "appropriate infrastructure" that would minimize "impacts on residents," and that a panel would provide input on selecting the license-holders.

But the ACR still doesn't specify the tax rate, or how much revenue would flow to Atlantic City. And it may be too late to erase electoral doubt.

Voters aren't stupid. Until shown otherwise, they believe that Trenton can't deliver a sound strategy to reshape the gaming tableau, and their skepticism is justified.

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Polls: New Jersey residents oppose casino expansion
« Reply #89 on: 10-03-2016, 01:46pm »
Polls: New Jersey residents oppose casino expansion
NICHOLAS HUBA & CHRISTIAN HETRICK Staff Writers 
Sep 30, 2016

Voters are overwhelmingly opposed to North Jersey casinos, according to recent polling from Stockton University’s William J. Hughes Center for Public Policy and Trenton’s Bad Bet, a group fighting the ballot question.

The Stockton poll released Friday found that 68 percent of those surveyed oppose the plan to allow two casinos in northern New Jersey, while 27 percent support casino expansion beyond Atlantic City. That poll was conducted with 638 likely New Jersey voters by the Stockton Polling Institute from Sept. 22 to 29. The margin of error is 3.9 percent.

A survey by Trenton’s Bad Bet found the ballot measure losing by 20 points — 36 percent of 600 likely voters were in favor of expanding gaming, while 56 percent were opposed. That poll was conducted Sept. 20 to 21 and has a 4 percent margin of error.

In North Jersey, 63 percent of those surveyed oppose casino expansion, while 74 percent of voters in the state’s eight southern counties also oppose it, according to the Stockton poll.

“These results should provide some comfort to residents of the Atlantic City region, which has seen the loss of 5,400 casino industry jobs since the start of 2014,” said Sharon Schulman, executive director of the Hughes Center. “Clearly the voters — especially those in South Jersey — do not want to see Atlantic City casino competition within the state.”

The polling from Trenton’s Bad Bet showed opposition to North Jersey casinos is being driven by voters’ overwhelming belief that state officials repeatedly break promises to voters, and the North Jersey casinos would be no different. The survey reported that 69 percent of voters believed the “special interests get rich and we pay the price” if North Jersey casinos were to open.

Trenton’s Bad Bet said they will have spent $6 million through Oct. 3 on television ads focusing on not trusting state officials to do the right thing.

Voters will decide whether to approve as many as two casinos in North Jersey during the Nov. 8 election. The ballot question states the new casinos must be in separate counties and at least 72 miles from Atlantic City, where four casinos closed in 2014 and another, Trump Taj Mahal Casino Resort, is set to close Oct. 10. Deutsche Bank said last year that North Jersey casinos could generate $500 million in gambling revenue.

Possible casino locations being discussed, if the referendum is approved, include Jersey City and the Meadowlands.

Further details about the exact location of the casinos wouldn’t change the opinion of the majority of those surveyed, according to the poll. More than half of those surveyed said knowing the specific locations would have no impact on their vote.

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Developer touts casino plan as 'windfall' for Jersey City
« Reply #88 on: 09-13-2016, 08:21am »
Developer touts casino plan as 'windfall' for Jersey City
By Terrence T. McDonald | The Jersey Journal
on September 12, 2016 at 12:08 PM, updated September 12, 2016 at 2:25 PM

JERSEY CITY — Voters here in Jersey City are getting some special attention from Paul Fireman.

Fireman, the former head of Reebok International whose net worth stands at $1.03 billion, wants to build a casino just south of Liberty State Park. With the new ad campaign Our Turn NJ, he's hoping to convince New Jersey voters, and those in Jersey City especially, to approve a referendum on November's ballot that would expand casino gaming outside of Atlantic City.

Though Fireman, 72, hails from Massachusetts and lives now in Palm Beach, he is no stranger to Jersey City: he owns the posh Liberty National Golf Club, which opened in 2006 and has attracted luminaries like former presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush.

Sitting in a conference room last week on the first floor of Liberty National's clubhouse, Fireman said he believes the opposition to bringing casino gaming to Jersey City is misguided. Dismissing the word casino, Fireman said his plan is to build a $3 billion, two-tower resort called Liberty Rising that includes a hotel, restaurants, a spa and, yes, a casino with about 6,000 slots and 500 tables.

"It's going to be an icon," he said. "This thing's going to stand out like a beacon of energy."

Opposition to a Jersey City casino has focused on concerns over traffic and problems critics say casinos attract, like prostitution and vagrancy. Fireman dismissed those objections.

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Fireman focused on what he said are the monetary benefits his resort would bring to Jersey City and its population: up to 9,000 construction jobs and 6,000 jobs with the resort, all union gigs. He also said the resort would bring Jersey City $65 million in taxes and fees in the first year and $3.9 billion over the course of 30 years, money he said could help pay for programs and services in the city's most impoverished neighborhoods. The city's budget was $571 million this year.

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The statewide referendum, if approved, would allow two new casinos to open in North Jersey. A second casino is planned for the Meadowlands in East Rutherford. Democrats in North Jersey have largely backed the referendum, which has the support of labor unions as well.

Fireman has been targeting state lawmakers on both sides of the aisle with campaign donations. Last year, he gave a total of $45,900 to 16 legislators.

Bill Cortese, spokesman for anti-casino expansion group Trenton's Bad Bet, told The Jersey Journal that Fireman's statements "reject reality and push a false narrative" that North Jersey casinos will not have adverse effects on their home communities.

"What gaming expansion supporters aren't telling people is that new casinos will worsen already nightmarish conditions on New Jersey roads and completely ignore the nearly bankrupt transportation fund which has brought infrastructure upgrades to a standstill," Cortese said.

Some of the funding behind Trenton's Bad Bet comes from the Genting Group, which operates a Queens virtual casino.

Mayor Steve Fulop, a Democrat who is widely expected to seek his party's nomination for governor next year, made headlines in April when his formerly firm support of gaming expansion and Fireman's casino plan in particular softened after a trip to Atlantic City, whose leadership is opposed to casino expansion.

Fulop, who said he would oppose issuing city permits and zoning approvals to Fireman even if November's referendum passes statewide but loses with Jersey City voters, said the $65 million Fireman says will flow into city coffers from Liberty Rising doesn't sway him.

"That's a big dollar amount but it doesn't necessarily offset some of the concerns with regard to challenges that it brings, whether it's crime or prostitution or traffic," Fulop said. "I need to get to a place of understanding where casinos have been a benefit to any municipality that's been a host. It's hard to find one."

Asked what he will do if Jersey City voters approve the referendum, Fulop said, "People aren't going to be supportive of it. If I'm wrong then I'll work with the people of Jersey City and do what they want."
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As North Jersey casino question looms, pro-Jersey City casino website launches
September 6, 2016 - Jersey City, News - Written by John Heinis

With New Jersey residents set to decide whether or not casino gaming will come to North Jersey on November 8, a new website is advocating for a 90-story hotel and casino complex known as Liberty Rising in Jersey City.

“Liberty Rising is a world-class resort with gaming that will bring jobs and economic opportunity to Jersey City and the surrounding region,” according to a website created by Our Turn NJ.

The $4 billion luxury complex, the brainchild of billionaire Reebok founder Paul Fireman, would potentially be located at 100 Caven Point Road – which is south of Liberty State Park and between an industrial area and Liberty National Golf Course.

The website says that the project would not disrupt residential areas near LSP or impact traffic on the Jersey City waterfront and would also provide easy access to the NJ Turnpike and Manhattan.

Furthermore, Our Turn NJ states that the large-scale entertainment center would be 100 percent privately funded, create 9,000 union construction jobs, as well as “6,000 resort operation jobs.”

Back in January, Hudson County View first reported that Jersey City Mayor Steven Fulop, an expected Democratic gubernatorial candidate, said that a local casino would bring “a revenue boon” to the city, creating anywhere in the neighborhood of 5,000 to 6,000 jobs.

After a spring visit to Atlantic City, Fulop backtracked on his pro casino stance, stating he would support North Jersey casino gaming – just not in Jersey City, leading to a heated Twitter exchange with state Sen. Ray Lesniak (D-20) back in April.

Lesniak, who is also mulling a run for governor, said then that he’d be all for a facility like Liberty Rising coming to Elizabeth – the largest municipality in his legislative district.

Lesniak, state Sen. President Stephen Sweeney (D-3), Assembly Speaker Vincent Prieto (D-32), state Sen. Joe Kyrillos (R-13), state Sen. Jennifer Beck (R-11), among many others, are pictured with quotes favorable to expanding gaming outside of Atlantic City on a section of the website titled “Our Support.” Read more

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Fulop clarifies stance on casino expansion after TV ad
« Reply #86 on: 08-05-2016, 03:28pm »
Fulop clarifies stance on casino expansion after TV ad
By Terrence T. McDonald | The Jersey Journal
on August 05, 2016 at 7:02 AM, updated August 05, 2016 at 9:05 AM

Jersey City Mayor Steve Fulop is clarifying his stance on expanding casino gaming into north Jersey in response to a new television spot from a Bloomfield-based ironworkers union that blasts Fulop for seeming to waffle on the issue.

Fulop told The Jersey Journal Wednesday he supports expanding casinos outside of Atlantic City but is opposed to opening a gaming facility in Jersey City. Previous comments from Fulop that indicated he may oppose casino expansion entirely were "taken out of context," he said.

"My vote has always been in support," Fulop said. "Expanding beyond the borders of Atlantic City can be a good thing for the state of New Jersey ... people in Jersey City are really not in favor."

The new ad, from Iron Workers Local 11, urges viewers to call Fulop to get him on the casino bandwagon. It is one of at least two pro-expansion ads that began airing in New Jersey this week.

The anti-Fulop ad is a likely preview of the next gubernatorial race: state Senate President Stephen Sweeney, an ex-ironworker, is expected to compete with Fulop for the Democratic nod for governor in 2017.

A ballot question in November will ask voters whether the state constitution should be amended to allow two casinos outside Atlantic City. Supporters say the casinos would create jobs and generate hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue to help save Atlantic City. Read more

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Re: Fulop supports Sweeney's casino idea
« Reply #85 on: 05-17-2016, 10:33am »
Hizzoner wants your vote input!

The poll is a simple yes/no/not sure and requires a name & email to submit.

:fulop: "During the past few months, we have seen an extensive debate take place throughout New Jersey on the expansion of casino gaming into northern New Jersey.

As we continue to watch this issue unfold, we felt as though an important voice in this debate was being left out. That voice is you.

An important part of leadership is taking the time to listen to feedback, and being willing to learn more about an issue that will impact Jersey City, and the region, in a big way.

I am committed to gaining a better understanding on how residents throughout the state feel about casino gaming in North Jersey. This is a decision that will impact all of us.

Please fill out the survey to share your thoughts on this issue.

 

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Jersey City Mayor Visits Atlantic City to Talk Casinos
« Reply #84 on: 04-15-2016, 01:59pm »
From NJTV News:

Jersey City Mayor Visits Atlantic City to Talk Casinos
4-13-16
By Briana Vannozzi
Correspondent

In politics, timing is everything. So it came as no surprise to Jersey City Mayor Steve Fulop that speculation was circulating about his trip to Atlantic City today, just a day after Gov. Chris Christie took jabs at the gubernatorial hopeful on his home turf.

“As I think as our staff has often said, he has this strange obsession with Jersey City and myself dating back to Bridgegate. So none of the is new. I regret not being here earlier and talking to some of those residents,” Fulop said.

Fulop came to talk casinos. Specifically, what value they could bring to North Jersey, and at what detriment to the south.

Fulop tweeted this morning that the visit could change his position. Has it?

“So it was impactful and I got to do some more of these sort of conversations in different environments. What I found is I try to balance what’s in Jersey City’s best interest, what’s in North Jersey’s best interest. I’m obviously conscious of the impact to Atlantic City,” he said.

Fulop has been a long-time supporter of building casinos in the north. The state Legislature approved a constitutional amendment last month, allowing voters to decide if as many as two casinos should be built elsewhere in the state.

“I think Jersey City will have a huge say about the direction of that ballot referendum ultimately,” Fulop said.

“It was very important the he heard first hand because who better, in the state of New Jersey, to talk about gaming than Atlantic City? We currently have a monopoly and hopefully that will continue,” said Atlantic City Council President Marty Small.

Small says he orchestrated the gathering after Fulop reached out to initiate. He invited lifelong residents, fellow city council members and workers associated with the casino industry. They broke bread at a local eatery.

“We didn’t talk about the governor’s race. We didn’t talk about relationships. It was a historical perspective on people telling me about 18-year-olds back in the day aspiring to work at a casino instead of wanting to go to college,” Fulop said.

As they met and prepped for a jitney bus tour of the city, news broke of yet another compromise bill put out by Senate President Sweeny. This time giving the city 120 days to meet state demands before a takeover would go into effect.

“I am not prepared to comment on the bill but I find it rather ironic but that’s a story for another day. That a bill softening the blow on Atlantic City drops while we’re meeting with Mayor Fulop. You can connect the dots if you will,” Small said.

“If we decide — and we have more meetings to do in Jersey City — that this is not in Jersey City’s best interest, we’re not going to leave anything up to chance. We’re going to kill it and we’re going to kill it aggressively,” Fulop said.

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Experts urge caution on expanding casinos to north Jersey
« Reply #83 on: 02-01-2016, 12:49pm »
As state lawmakers push to expand casino gaming outside of Atlantic City, some economists and public-policy experts are urging them to slow down.

With a shrinking customer base and a "saturated market," these experts say, it's uncertain that casinos in Jersey City and East Rutherford — two of the proposed locations — would attract many gamblers who would otherwise head to casinos in New York, Connecticut and Pennsylvania.

"If you build it, it doesn't mean the customers will come," said Deb Figart, a distinguished professor of economics at Stockton University.

Voters will ultimately decide in November. A measure expected to be approved by the state Legislature would place a question on the ballot asking voters whether the New Jersey constitution should be amended to allow casinos outside of Atlantic City.

Democratic lawmakers are largely in favor of the ballot initiative, and it became a top priority in the waning days of the last state Assembly session. Sheila Reynertson, a senior policy analyst for left-leaning think tank New Jersey Policy Perspective, said that's because state legislators "without a doubt" spoke only to pro-casino voices, not dissenting opinions, as they rushed to get the initiative on November's ballot.

"The big winners are not going to be your everyday people who need work," Reynertson said. "It's going to be the developers, gaming manufacturers, casino owners ... and that's it. Long-term, I think it's irresponsible for the legislators to push this as an economic driver for everyday New Jerseyans."

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Re: Fulop supports Sweeney's casino idea
« Reply #82 on: 01-11-2016, 04:21pm »
Sign petition to stop JC from allowing a casino by Liberty State Park.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2016/01/petition_calls_for_fulop_to_reject_jersey_city_cas.html

An online petition is seeking supporters to send a message to Mayor Steve Fulop: reject plans for a casino in Jersey City.

Fulop backs expanding casino gambling outside South Jersey. There is already a proposal to bring a casino to just outside Liberty State Park.

"Research has shown that casinos have a negative impact on local property values and derive a disproportionate amount of revenue from vulnerable, often elderly, problem gamblers," the petition reads. "Our elected officials should embrace sustainable, socially responsible economic development and unambiguously reject any plan to build a casino in our city."

Aaron Morrill, formerly the head of good-government group Civic JC, started the petition.

A request for comment from Fulop's spokeswoman was not returned.

State lawmakers had been bickering over competing versions of a bill that would allow voters in November to decide whether to amend the state constitution to allow gaming outside of Atlantic City.
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:fulop: :Expand gaming in state but do it the right way
« Reply #81 on: 01-05-2016, 09:55am »
:fulop: 's OpEd in the Bergen Record.

   
Expand gaming in state but do it the right way
January 5, 2016    Last updated: Tuesday, January 5, 2016, 1:21 AM
By STEVEN M. FULOP
The Record

DURING the past few weeks there has been talk in Trenton about the potential for casino expansion in Jersey City and Bergen and Essex counties. It is great to see this discussion, as I have been on the record for more than two years as a supporter of the expansion of gaming in northern New Jersey, if it is done fairly and transparently.

For decades, New Jersey has allowed Atlantic City to have a statewide monopoly on gaming. This monopoly has been a failure. Now, after casinos have opened in Pennsylvania and New York, Senate President Sweeney has offered a proposal that violates the two necessary components for legislation, which are transparency and fairness.

Regarding transparency, one must question why Sweeney won't allow any operator to bid on the potential North Jersey casino licenses. Instead, he is limiting the potential operators to those who currently operate only in South Jersey. Why not invite bids as broadly as possible — to everyone — ensuring the best proposal for the entire state of New Jersey? If a South Jersey operator wants to cross-promote, why not have him make the best proposal for New Jersey? Wouldn't that be in the best interest of the entire state?

Lack of incentives

What would the incentive be for a South Jersey operator to build a world-class casino in North Jersey, competing with his own interests in South Jersey, as proposed in the Sweeney legislation? After mulling over these questions, it is fairly evident that South Jersey casino operators wouldn't enter into competition against themselves in North Jersey, and instead the Sweeney bill would guarantee North Jersey low-income-generating casinos, which are exclusive to slot machines, hindering potential revenue.

Regarding fairness, any resident of Bergen, Essex or Hudson counties, or the remaining communities in North Jersey, would agree that legislation allowing expanded gaming in North Jersey should prioritize and serve the residents of those communities in which casinos would be built. After all, Jersey City, Bergen County and Newark each have challenges that encompass public safety, taxes, infrastructure and quality of life. Just like Atlantic City, the communities of North Jersey have needs for resources.

Burdens

If two casinos are erected in North Jersey, it is obvious that many of the civic burdens that we address on a daily basis will be exacerbated by the crowds that the two casinos will attract. This concept seems fairly obvious and should be remembered as we examine legislation. Sweeney's proposal would take 50 percent of the revenue from North Jersey casinos and give it to only one city in South Jersey, while the other 564 municipalities in New Jersey would share the remaining 50 percent of revenue. I think any New Jersey resident would agree that this doesn't seem like a fair formula.

As the mayor of Jersey City, it is my primary focus to ensure that local residents are not being bilked by outside interests. I reiterate my support for two North Jersey casinos that benefit the residents of the host communities, if the process is transparent and fair. But we must do this the right way.

Steven M. Fulop is mayor of Jersey City.

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North Jersey casino backers plan ad blitz
« Reply #79 on: 08-03-2015, 09:37am »
North Jersey casino backers plan ad blitz
Public skeptical of allowing casinos outside Atlantic City.

By Matt Friedman
8/3/15 6:07 AM EDT

New Jersey voters this year were spared an ad blitz on allowing casinos outside of Atlantic City. They likely won’t be so lucky next year.

Senate President Stephen Sweeney, a Democrat from Gloucester County, killed an effort to get a constitutional amendment on the ballot this year, but voters will likely be asked in 2016 whether they want to allow at least two casinos north of Atlantic City. And backers of building casinos in northern New Jersey are planning to spend $10 million to $15 million on advertising to convince a skeptical public to side with them.

“I think we would have to,” said Meadowlands Racetrack operator Jeff Gural, who’s partnering with Hard Rock on a proposed casino on the property in East Rutherford.

Expanding casino gambling beyond Atlantic City would be no small feat. A Fairleigh Dickinson University PublicMind poll in June found 56 percent of New Jersey residents opposed allowing casino gambling outside the confines of the south Jersey resort. Just 37 percent favored it.

“From what I see when we do polling, if you simply ask the question, ‘Are you in favor of expanding gambling?'—the immediate reaction is no. Why would we expand gambling because Atlantic City is doing bad? Why add casinos?” Gural said. “But when we say, 'Would you be in favor at the Meadowlands if we give the state $500 million a year and some of that money would go to help Atlantic City recover and rebuild?'—then it would be a positive.

“The key to us to get the referendum passed is to get the message out,” Gural said. “If we can’t get the message out, it will lose.”

If other states' experiences are any guide, $10 million to $15 million may be a conservative estimate of how much could be spent on ads to convince the public. In Maryland, gambling interests in 2012—both for and against a gambling measure—spent a combined $90 million, according to the Washington Post.

Could it be that much in New Jersey?

"I hope not," Gural said.

But the presidential election in 2016 will make it “100 percent harder” for the referendum to pass than it would have been this year, when the top ballot contest is state Assembly and turnout is expected to be extremely low, Gural said.

“It was a terrible mistake not going in 2015. I think it would have passed easily in 2015. I think 2016 is harder because it’s more expensive and getting your message out is that much harder because you’re competing with a presidential and congressional election,” Gural said.

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Voters won't get to vote on casino expansion in N.J.
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Voters won't get to vote on casino expansion in N.J.
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on July 15, 2015 at 8:02 AM, updated July 15, 2015 at 8:11 AM

TRENTON, N.J. — New Jersey voters will not be asked this November to decide whether to expand casino gambling beyond Atlantic City.

Senate President Steve Sweeney confirmed in a telephone interview the clock on the procedural calendar ran out on Tuesday, meaning the referendum will not be on the ballot this year.

The development comes after Sweeney earlier expressed skepticism about a plan introduced in the Assembly to expand gambling to Bergen, Essex and Hudson counties, saying he preferred a more deliberative process before putting the question to voters. While he has indicated support for northern New Jersey gambling, Sweeney has also called for a plan to help Atlantic City, which is struggling economically and saw four casinos close in 2014.

"I said all along there needed to be a public discussion," Sweeney said. "What we want to make sure is if there is an expansion, Atlantic City is taken care of."

Legislators must pass a bill by Aug. 3 for the issue to be on November's ballot. Such a provision must sit for 20 days in each chamber after introduction. That put the deadline for introduction on Tuesday.

"Just do the math," Sweeney said.

Democratic Assemblyman Ralph Caputo supported a bill to expand gambling in northern New Jersey and said he expected the issue would not be on the ballot since his provision did not advance in the Democratic-controlled Legislature. But he is not resigned to defeat.

"It is what it is," Caputo said. "Meaning we're not going to give up on this issue. ... It's going to be back on the agenda." Read more

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Jersey City residents debate whether North Jersey casinos plan is worth a gamble
By Caitlin Mota | The Jersey Journal
on June 11, 2015 at 7:31 AM

While some are ready to test their luck in a Jersey City casino, many fear the city's infrastructure cannot accommodate the venue and the city will be negatively impacted by its presence.

Casino gambling is limited to Atlantic City, but a trio of lawmakers has proposed a bill that would allow casinos to be built in Hudson, Bergen and Essex Counties.

The plan, which is being sponsored by Assembly members Ralph Caputo, D-Belleville, Valerie Vainieri Huttle, D-Englewood, and Raj Mukherji, D-Jersey City, does not specify where the casinos would be located. However, plans have been floated for the Meadowlands and near Liberty National Golf Course in Jersey City as potential locations.

But not everyone in Jersey City is on board with the plan.

"There's no plan in place to make sure there isn't garbage on the street, how are we going to handle a casino?" said Jessica Silver, 46, of Downtown Jersey City.

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Last week, Mukherji estimated between 20,000 and 30,000 new jobs being created as a result of the north Jersey casinos. But Fletcher Gensamer, a Downtown Jersey City resident, said those numbers are inflated, pointing to the 2011 construction of Revel Casino in Atlantic City, which he said only created 2,100 construction jobs and about 3,000 jobs in the casino.

"The numbers don't add up," said Gensamer, 44.

With the recent crime in Jersey City some residents are concerned building a casino would shift city officials' attention away from existing issues in the community.

Gensamer, who is mulling a run for city council in 2017, said building a casino in Greenville would inflate existing problems in that section of the city.

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Jersey City residents ready to roll the dice with a casino
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Jersey City residents are ready to hit the jackpot.

With a bill that would allow voters to approve giving the Legislature authority to establish casinos in Hudson, Bergen, and Essex counties, residents are hoping they will be able to roll the dice and play the slots close to home.

Overwhelmingly, people interviewed yesterday in different parts of the city said bringing casinos to Hudson County and North Jersey is a sure winner.

"I think it would be great," said Latisha Palmer, 29, of Jersey City. "It's something different to do in the area."

The current state constitution only allows for casino gambling in Atlantic City. For many people in Hudson County, traveling more than 120 miles to gamble is too much of a hassle.

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Family of man who wants to build Jersey City casino donated $7,800 to Sweeney
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on April 29, 2015 at 12:02 PM, updated April 29, 2015 at 2:43 PM

Just how much has state Senate President Stephen Sweeney changed his stance on expanding casino gaming to north Jersey?

Enough, apparently, to prompt the family of Paul Fireman, who wants to build a mega casino in Jersey City, to donate to his campaign fund.

Fireman's wife, son and daughter-in-law each donated $2,600 to Sweeney's (D-Gloucester) reelection fund in March, campaign finance records show.

Until last year, Sweeney had long opposed allowing casinos outside of Atlantic City. But the collapse of the casino industry there caused him to rethink his position. Instead, Sweeney has said he's open to allowing a couple casinos in northern New Jersey, if they provide hundreds of millions of dollars a year to help redevelop Atlantic City.

"I'm not dead-set against it," Sweeney said. "I didn't announce that we needed to do casinos in northern new Jersey because of Paul Fireman or anyone else. Atlantic City needs help. I was part of the five-year deal with the governor to fix Atlantic City. You see it's not working that well."

To make that happen, voters would need to approve a constitutional amendment. The Legislature could put that on the ballot this year with a three-fifths majority vote, though Sweeney said he's not sure he would want it in what's expected to be a low-turnout November election.

"We've got to figure out when we're going to do it. Because the reality is we're going to have a low-turnout election. So do you do it this year or next year?" Sweeney said. Read more

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Officials making their pitches for a New Jersey casino
« Reply #74 on: 12-23-2014, 01:28pm »
This looks like it might could happen :o



Officials making their pitches for a New Jersey casino
DECEMBER 20, 2014, 11:52 PM
LAST UPDATED: SUNDAY, DECEMBER 21, 2014, 9:34 AM
BY JOHN BRENNAN
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As lawmakers in Trenton hash out the details of a referendum that could allow casino gambling to expand beyond Atlantic City, a rush has started among North Jersey officials touting their turf as the best location to guarantee financial success for the state.

“There’s only one place that every major casino operator in the country already has come to check out, and that’s Jersey City,” said Steve Fulop, the mayor of Hudson County’s seat.

“It’s not rocket science,” he added. “We’re closest to Manhattan. A casino here would be the highest-grossing in North America, bigger than any Las Vegas casino.”


Jim Kirkos, the head of the Meadowlands Regional Chamber of Commerce, counters that the Sports Complex is the right spot. The American Dream, Izod Center, MetLife Stadium — as well as a potential convention center — will ensure a steady stream of both locals and visitors on a daily basis to a site that offers its own mass-transit access from Manhattan.

The Meadowlands and Jersey City have a clear head start, but locations in Essex, Monmouth and Sussex counties also have been raised as possibilities in various quarters.

The referendum under discussion, which would go before the voters in November, is expected to focus on two key points: ending Atlantic City’s statewide monopoly on casinos, and explaining that a portion of revenues from North Jersey casinos would go to support the struggling seaside resort and its casino industry. The latter could prove crucial in drumming up support among South Jersey politicians as well as residents.

But negotiations and maneuvering are taking place as well on other issues, such as the number of casino licenses that could be issued, the exact geographic boundaries, and how locations will ultimately be chosen and by what criteria.

State Sen. Paul Sarlo, D-Wood-Ridge, a longtime champion of a Meadowlands casino, is convinced that the Legislature would approve issuing only two licenses after a successful referendum. Whether the ballot question itself will specify the number of licenses — or the exact tax rate imposed on any new casinos — is unclear at this point.

“We’ll have some sort of geographical boundary, whether it’s north of the Driscoll Bridge [in Middlesex County] or a listing of eligible counties,” Sarlo said. “We’d be looking for the most tax revenues, someone who can build immediately, and have their financing in place. And this is open bidding. The Meadowlands [Sports Complex], Jersey City is a viable option, Secaucus, Newark — there are lots of viable options, and we should not rule out any of them.”

State Sen. Ray Lesniak, D-Union, the leading gambling expansion proponent in Trenton, agreed, although he has expressed skepticism that Newark could attract a casino plan on the scale of the Meadowlands or Jersey City.

“Most jobs created, most revenue generated, most investment made,” Lesniak said, enumerating what he considered the most important criteria in selecting potential proposals.

Fulop was confident his city would emerge on top no matter what process is followed. “Open bidding is fine, because from an economic standpoint, [a Jersey City proposal] would be the front-runner,” said Fulop, adding that some preliminary casino proposals that have been discussed with him are “approaching $1 billion.” A $4.6 billion multiuse project in Jersey City proposed this summer by real estate investor Paul Fireman would include not only a casino but also a convention center, 95-story hotel, and a motor-sports stadium, among other attractions.

Kirkos said that the ballot question should “not be about politics, and not about geography,” but based on what makes the most economic sense.

“If you make a business case for where a gaming facility has the most likelihood of success, that’s the Meadowlands Sports Complex,” Kirkos said. “That’s a long-term success, even if other gambling locations come about.”

Fulop said that casino executives looking at Jersey City have not seemed overly concerned about potential competition from a Manhattan casino after New York’s moratorium on such an option expires in 2022.

“What we’ve seen with the high-end Vegas venues is that the most successful ones create an experience not just from the gaming,” Fulop said. “These would be a destination-style world-class venue, not just some dumb slot machines.”


Tax rate issue

A key element of the equation is how much money possible locations would generate for the state and what tax they would pay, in part to help support Atlantic City, a city that has lost four of its 12 casinos this year while another, Trump Taj Mahal, may close soon as well.

New York’s tax rate for three upstate casinos approved on Wednesday — the closest one in the Catskills — is about 40 percent for slot-machine revenues and 10 percent for table games. Atlantic City casino operators pay just 8 percent on their gross gaming revenues, which historically led to far more elaborate development than in higher-tax states such as Pennsylvania.

Fulop said prospective bidders for a Jersey City location have been far more focused on the magnitude of potential revenues from a casino so close to Manhattan than on whatever tax rate they would have to pay.

Still, the insistence by state Senate President Stephen Sweeney, D-Gloucester, that a portion of North Jersey casino tax revenues be redirected to Atlantic City raises the possibility of a higher tax up north. Meadowlands Racetrack operator Jeff Gural, meanwhile, has expressed a willingness to pay as much as 50 percent in tax if he can operate a casino at the Sports Complex.

Fulop said would-be operators in Jersey City “don’t care” if the Meadowlands also gets a casino and predicted there would be little cannibalization.

Kirkos, too, did not object to having a gambling neighbor of sorts.

“If there’s a Jersey City waterfront high-end casino for only high-rollers, would that make sense?” he asked. “Perhaps. But that’s very different from having a casino at the Meadowlands Sports Complex.”

Casino ballot language talks in the first quarter of 2015, led by Sweeney and Assembly Speaker Vincent Prieto, D-Secaucus, will feature Bergen and Hudson counties on a list of potential locations, officials agreed.

Essex County Executive Joseph DiVincenzo reportedly wrote a letter this month to Sweeney, Prieto, and Governor Christie — a reliable political ally — pitching Newark as a casino site given its own mass transportation access to Manhattan.

Other pitches have been made from Morris and Sussex county officials, but both would be considered long shots against the other potential contenders. State Sen. Steven Oroho, R-Sussex, has suggested that a European-style “boutique casino” might be a good choice at a local resort or winery in the northwestern part of the state.

Dennis Drazin, the operator of Monmouth Park racetrack, has suggested that his Oceanport oval could be a good spot for a casino, but he conceded that seems unlikely, “reading the tea leaves.”

Both Sarlo and Lesniak have said that, just 80 miles up the Atlantic coast, Monmouth Park is too close to Atlantic City.

But Drazin said that the horsemen are optimistic that they would receive a share of revenues from any Meadowlands casino along with Gural’s harness racing colleagues.

Passage of a referendum next November would have to be followed by a vote in the Legislature, and Drazin said he believes Monmouth and Ocean county legislators would seek financial aid to help keep his track open in order to support such a bill.

Sarlo said that “the horsemen clearly need to be protected” if more competition for gambling dollars arrives north of Atlantic City.

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Trump Plaza becomes 4th casino in Atlantic City to close this year
By The Associated Press
on September 17, 2014 at 7:55 AM
   
ATLANTIC CITY — Beset by crushing debt, fleeing customers and run-down facilities, Trump Plaza yesterday became the fourth casino in Atlantic City to shut down this year.

The 30-year-old casino at the heart of the Boardwalk had been the town's worst performing for years. It won about the same amount from gamblers this year as the market-leading Borgata takes in every two weeks.

Trump Plaza is the latest victim of casino contraction brought on by competition in neighboring states in the saturated northeastern U.S. gambling market. Atlantic City began the year with 12 casinos; it now has eight. The Atlantic Club, Showboat and Revel also closed, and the Taj Mahal could be next on Nov. 13.

Theresa Volpe, a cocktail server at the Plaza for 26 years, is looking for a new job — along with about 8,000 others suddenly cut loose by Atlantic City's casinos since January. An unemployment assistance session will be held today at Boardwalk Hall.

"I don't know if we're going to have a difficult time because of our age," she said. "Someone in their 50s is not necessarily what they want. Friends have been on interviews and they never get called back."

Donald Trump told The Associated Press that he "will be taking a very serious look" at buying back the company after it declared bankruptcy this month and that the decision will come down to price. He said he would then have to determine whether Trump Plaza is "viable" and worth re-opening.

Trump owns a 9 percent stake in Trump Entertainment Resorts and went to court last month to try to get his name removed from the properties.

Unlike Revel, which opened just over two years ago and was considered new and luxurious before closing, or the still-profitable Showboat, shuttered by its owner in the name of reducing competition for the remaining casinos in town, the demise of Trump Plaza could be seen a long way off.

Gamblers have been abandoning it for newer, ritzier casinos for years. Its owners, Trump Entertainment Resorts, let it deteriorate in recent years, particularly after a sale for the bargain-basement price of $20 million to a California firm fell through last year.

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Re: Fulop supports Sweeney's casino idea
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Seems the real reason Vegas works is because of the legalized sex-work not the gambling. And if we want to start legalizing sex work in LSP and the Meadowlands, to help out AC, I think that might be a better way to go about it.

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Seems the real reason Vegas works is because of the legalized sex-work not the gambling. And if we want to start legalizing sex work in LSP and the Meadowlands, to help out AC, I think that might be a better way to go about it.

In my head, I'm hearing this in the voice of alb.


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Re: Fulop supports Sweeney's casino idea
« Reply #69 on: 08-19-2014, 11:50am »
This could work if we had another couple of train tunnels in the Hudson, and a PATH/HBLR integrated with the MTA with service to Secaucus & EWR.

OH, wait, we don't have that.

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I'm not necessarily against one part of the state helping out the other part of the state, that's how a civilization works after all, but it just seems a wee bit shortsighted to think casinos would produce the revenue to do it. Especially since they didn't do it there? And is the only thing that they're really saying made the AC casinos fail was just that they weren't close enough to NYC?


I have no problem with gambling, don't really understand it, but don't care about other adults doing it, but casinos just seem stupid everywhere they are. Seems the real reason Vegas works is because of the legalized sex-work not the gambling. And if we want to start legalizing sex work in LSP and the Meadowlands, to help out AC, I think that might be a better way to go about it.


Yep.

“The proposal for a megacasino at the Jersey City site” and a slot parlor in the Meadowlands, Mr. Lesniak said, “could produce in excess of a billion dollars over 10 years to be reinvested in Atlantic City.”[/color]

Atlantic City, the city that was supposed to be "saved" by the arrival of casino gambling, needs a bailout from the rest of the state. Casinos are closing up shop and leaving the city behind, and someone else gets to pay to keep the city on life support.
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“The proposal for a megacasino at the Jersey City site” and a slot parlor in the Meadowlands, Mr. Lesniak said, “could produce in excess of a billion dollars over 10 years to be reinvested in Atlantic City.”[/color]

Atlantic City, the city that was supposed to be "saved" by the arrival of casino gambling, needs a bailout from the rest of the state. Casinos are closing up shop and leaving the city behind, and someone else gets to pay to keep the city on life support.
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So we get a Casino to help out Atlantic City?   :nuts:
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Looks like Lesniak is on board.



As Casinos Close in Atlantic City, a Push for More, Closer to New York
By CHARLES V. BAGLI
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Aug. 18, 2014

With as many as four casinos shutting down in Atlantic City by the end of September, New Jersey is suddenly awash in plans for, well, more casinos.

The Meadowlands Regional Chamber of Commerce is to unveil plans on Tuesday for a Las Vegas-style casino, two 1,000-room hotels, a one-million-square-foot convention center and a youth sports center at the Meadowlands Sports Complex, less than nine miles west of Manhattan.

The chamber says that it could be the most successful casino in the world, sitting northeast of MetLife Stadium, next to the planned American Dream shopping mall, water park and amusement park, and so close to New York City.

“We can turn this place into a fabulous sports and entertainment complex with elements for everybody,” said Jim Kirkos, chief executive of the Meadowlands Chamber, which has 1,120 corporate members. “We can really create an economic engine and make it a destination.”

Similar claims of glamorous, revenue-generating machines are being made by companies in New York State that are vying for casino licenses at locations within 50 miles of Manhattan.

But even as casino fever is intensifying near New York City, in Atlantic City, where the industry was once thriving, the picture is much bleaker.

The Atlantic Club casino closed in January; the Showboat casino announced that it would close Aug. 31; the Revel is to close in September, as is Trump Plaza.

The Meadowlands proposal, or vision, was prompted by discussions among Gov. Chris Christie; Stephen M. Sweeney, president of the State Senate; and other legislators about a constitutional amendment that would allow casinos outside Atlantic City.

This month, Governor Christie announced that he would convene a “summit” of local and state officials on Sept. 8 to discuss the future of Atlantic City.

“We’re happy that all of a sudden there’s this dialogue about gaming outside of Atlantic City,” Mr. Kirkos said.

For decades, there has been a political taboo against the expansion of casino gambling beyond Atlantic City for fear of undermining the 12 casinos there.

But Atlantic City casinos have been battered by the proliferation of casinos in surrounding states, especially Pennsylvania. Revenues have fallen by half since 2006. And now New York plans to license full-scale casinos within a short car ride of northern New Jersey and New York City.

So even as Atlantic City struggles to reinvent itself as a seaside resort and convention city that also happens to have gambling, some legislators, developers and gambling companies are looking to shore up New Jersey’s flanks against more competition.

“You’re losing four casinos in Atlantic City,” said Alan Woinski, publisher of Gaming Industry Weekly Report. “Why don’t you open a casino in another part of New Jersey? The customer in North Jersey is not going to Atlantic City anymore. They drive 70 minutes to Sands Bethlehem casino or to Yonkers.”

In July, Paul Fireman, the former chairman of Reebok International, proposed a $4.6 billion casino project with a 95-story skyscraper at the southern end of Jersey City, next to his 160-acre Liberty National Golf Course, a relatively remote location with spectacular views of Lower Manhattan.
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Jersey City’s mayor, Steven M. Fulop, a supporter of the project, claimed that “it would be the highest-grossing casino in the United States.”


But proponents will have to overcome the misgivings of officials from South Jersey, where thousands of Atlantic City casino workers make their homes.

In a separate proposal, Jeff Gural, a New York real estate investor, wants to install slot machines at the Meadowlands Sports Complex, where he runs the racetrack and recently built an $88 million grandstand.

Mr. Gural is not looking to build a destination resort that would compete with Atlantic City. Under his proposal, he would operate slot machines at a 55 percent tax rate, with nearly half of the revenue dedicated to rebuilding Atlantic City as a resort.

“We have to come up with a plan that helps Atlantic City, and doesn’t put it out of business,” Mr. Gural said. “That’s in no one’s best interest.”

But the Meadowlands Chamber has much more ambitious plans.

Its proposal is to build a hotel and a convention hall, a large casino and a youth sports center in a building next to the vacant Izod arena. There would be a second, 1,000-room hotel next to the Meadowlands racetrack.

The proposal calls for up to 20,000 additional parking spaces in garages scattered across the 750-acre sports complex. In addition, a 1.5-mile monorail or “people mover” would transport visitors around the complex.

“We don’t only want a casino,” Mr. Kirkos said. “I want a convention center, a couple of quality hotels. I want it all.”

Raymond J. Lesniak, a state senator from North Jersey, is not so sure. He said he, too, welcomed a discussion about expanding casinos beyond Atlantic City. Any proposal, he said, had to help Atlantic City transform itself. Mr. Lesniak dismissed the proposal for a Las Vegas-style casino in the Meadowlands, in favor of one overlooking the New York skyline.

“The proposal for a megacasino at the Jersey City site” and a slot parlor in the Meadowlands, Mr. Lesniak said, “could produce in excess of a billion dollars over 10 years to be reinvested in Atlantic City.”

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Atlantic City's Revel Casino to Close in September
« Reply #64 on: 08-12-2014, 05:13pm »
It's official.



Atlantic City's Revel Casino to Close in September
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESSAUG. 12, 2014, 4:21 P.M. E.D.T.

ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. — When it opened just over two years ago, many people hoped Revel would save Atlantic City's struggling casino industry, which has been bleeding money and jobs for years.

But now the $2.4 billion resort that was widely seen as the last, best chance for Atlantic City's gambling market is shutting down, unable to find a buyer for even pennies on the dollar.

In addition to putting 3,100 people out of jobs and hurting state and local budgets, Revel's demise shows just how cutthroat the East Coast casino market has become, and how difficult it is for even the newest and nicest gambling halls to survive in an oversaturated market.

Revel Entertainment said the casino and its 1,399 hotel rooms will close on Sept. 10, never having turned a profit.

Revel said it still hopes to find a buyer through the bankruptcy process. But it acknowledged that if that happened, it would be after the facility had already shut down.

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« Reply #63 on: 08-07-2014, 12:14pm »
Even Donald Trump doesn't want his name on a casino any more.
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« Reply #62 on: 08-07-2014, 08:59am »
New article about how much casinos suck by David Frum.

A Good Way to Wreck a Local Economy: Build Casinos
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/08/a-good-way-to-wreck-a-local-economy-build-casinos/375691/

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« Reply #61 on: 07-21-2014, 09:18am »
Indeed. Not sure our current governor has the maturity either.
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« Reply #60 on: 07-21-2014, 08:58am »
Fulop is genetically hard-wired to run in 2017. When making that decision, he has to assume he'd have to wait until 2025 if he doesn't run in'17 (worst case for Fulop would be Sweeney/other Dem wins and Fulop can't run against a Dem in '21.) no way he risks having to wait 11 years from now to get to the thing he started planning for even before he was sworn in as mayor. McGreevey, DeCotiis,
Lesniak, the desperate need for any media attention, Clinton fundraiser, etc. - those aren't things you do for something 11 years from now.

The funniest part about all of the governor talk is the chatter started even before Christie had been re-elected to the current term. The '17 election is still more than three years away! Plenty of time to fix the statewide profile. Whether or not he'll have gained the maturity over the next three years for that job is a whole other matter.

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« Reply #59 on: 07-20-2014, 02:58pm »
CasiNO.
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« Reply #58 on: 07-20-2014, 02:01pm »
:dunno:  I think the power is in giving a casino not in having a casino.
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That makes no sense.
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« Reply #56 on: 07-20-2014, 01:47pm »
Fulop is still young, waiting a few years to run at Governor will not hurt. The Casino will give him access to future 'contributors' when he sets his eyes on a national office.

Fulop still doesn't have the strong in state connections to make a run at Governor.

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/07/nj_building_trades_council_urges_sweeney_to_run_for_governor.html
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« Reply #55 on: 07-20-2014, 01:43pm »
But why would he want a casino at all, and how would that be preferable to the governorship?
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« Reply #54 on: 07-20-2014, 01:22pm »
Fulop gets the Casino, he doesn't run for Governor against Sweeney (for the Primary).

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« Reply #53 on: 07-20-2014, 01:14pm »
That makes no sense to me.
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« Reply #52 on: 07-20-2014, 12:59pm »
Got the inside scoop on the Casino deal. Sweeney is giving this to Fulop and Northern Jersey to KEEP them (Fulop and another person I can't remember) out of running for Governor.
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« Reply #51 on: 07-15-2014, 07:14pm »
Interesting NYT story yesterday about the spate of casino closings in Atlantic City, pointing the finger at oversupply and competition from neighboring states. Interesting fact: "Today, gambling accounts for only 30 percent to 35 percent of revenues at Las Vegas casinos. Entertainment, restaurants and retail make up the difference. In Atlantic City, gambling still generates 71.5 percent of the revenues, down from almost 78 percent two years ago. Simply put, there are just too many slot machines, blackjack tables and poker rooms."

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« Reply #50 on: 07-13-2014, 11:48am »
Oh, no, no, no, dear Mayor F. Are my dearest Carlo and I to have our very ears assaulted by the din of a racetrack as we stroll in that beautiful park? Not to mention a casino? Where is the honest councilman who professed to earnestly forego the usual practices of behind the scenes wheeling and dealing? Eight months of negotiations all for campaign contributions?

Step out of that bubble you've let yourself be encased in, Dear Mayor F. I am sorely tried by who you now appear to be - a man who values enriching his own ideas of fun above the good of the citizenry, a man who believes a casino and ferris wheel -worthy of the "best mid-sized city in America" but yet does not feel the same about an art film house like the Loew's?

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« Reply #48 on: 07-11-2014, 04:44pm »
You people really need to make your displeasure known to your mayor.  These very intelligent discussions will be for naught if you're all just agreeing with each other.

I have written him and encouraged others to do the same.
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« Reply #47 on: 07-11-2014, 04:22pm »
I plan on writing him a letter.

You people really need to make your displeasure known to your mayor.  These very intelligent discussions will be for naught if you're all just agreeing with each other.
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« Reply #46 on: 07-11-2014, 04:01pm »
You people really need to make your displeasure known to your mayor.  These very intelligent discussions will be for naught if you're all just agreeing with each other.

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« Reply #45 on: 07-11-2014, 03:27pm »
OK, forget the Ferris wheel. How about one of these?


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« Reply #44 on: 07-11-2014, 08:23am »
Fulop on WCBS 880 AM this afternoon, being a Debbie Dickface.

https://soundcloud.com/steve-scott/skyscraper-casino-and-f1

World-class arrogance for a world-class pipedream—who is he channeling, Donald Trump? 

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« Reply #43 on: 07-11-2014, 07:59am »
Can't let this go by.

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« Reply #42 on: 07-10-2014, 09:59pm »
I concede that hybrid or electric monster trucks and possibly funny cars would be acceptable.
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« Reply #41 on: 07-10-2014, 09:57pm »
I concede that hybrid or electric monster trucks and possibly funny cars would be acceptable.

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« Reply #40 on: 07-10-2014, 09:54pm »
Casino aside, Formula One racing? Is Fulop out of his mind?? Near a wildlife habitat and public park where people go to relax? And near where people live? Has he considered the sound pollution?

Formula One is more boring than soccer. If it is Monster Trucks or nitro burning dragsters, I'm all for it. You would be too, Sue, admit it.

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« Reply #39 on: 07-10-2014, 09:45pm »
As I've said, a self imposed tax on the poor. Completely predatory.
Gaming the Poor

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/06/21/gaming-the-poor/

"A research team from the University at Buffalo and SUNY Buffalo State has conducted studies that offer new evidence of the exploitative effects of casino gambling on lower-income Americans. For example, the researchers found that the rates of casino gambling participation and frequency of visits have increased among lower-income groups. Easy access to casinos is a key factor. Living within 10 miles of one or more casinos more than doubles the rate of problems from excessive gambling. Another factor is easy access to slot-machine gambling. Women and the elderly have become more likely to gamble in recent years, partly because of a preference for nonskill slot-machine gambling."

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« Reply #38 on: 07-10-2014, 09:33pm »
Gaming the Poor

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/06/21/gaming-the-poor/

"A research team from the University at Buffalo and SUNY Buffalo State has conducted studies that offer new evidence of the exploitative effects of casino gambling on lower-income Americans. For example, the researchers found that the rates of casino gambling participation and frequency of visits have increased among lower-income groups. Easy access to casinos is a key factor. Living within 10 miles of one or more casinos more than doubles the rate of problems from excessive gambling. Another factor is easy access to slot-machine gambling. Women and the elderly have become more likely to gamble in recent years, partly because of a preference for nonskill slot-machine gambling."

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« Reply #37 on: 07-10-2014, 07:26pm »
So then the casino plan was know of when this went down: http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2014/05/jersey_city_councilman_wants_to_halt_sale_of_city_property_seized_by_eminent_domain.html

Interesting to see what that property sold for, to whom, and what becomes of it.
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« Reply #36 on: 07-10-2014, 07:18pm »
He runs over to get a picture with Justin Timberlake. Can't tell us what's up, though.
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« Reply #35 on: 07-10-2014, 07:16pm »
+1 Sue.

Not to mention that he's been discussing this for 9 months and this is the first we're hearing about it. He mentioned the property has already been acquired.

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« Reply #34 on: 07-10-2014, 07:14pm »
Casino aside, Formula One racing? Is Fulop out of his mind?? Near a wildlife habitat and public park where people go to relax? And near where people live? Has he considered the sound pollution? Good luck, Greenville. At least those of us who live Downtown will be able to leave the park when the racetrack sounds remind us of what we're trying to escape by being there in the first place. Best stock up on ear plugs now.

"'When companies or investors lay out a... plan like that — an expensive, massive project — it very possibly can work,' Caputo said." Possibly??!!! That's it??? Possibly???!?!  What a hell of a lot to risk on "possibly."

Does Fulop even know what city he's mayor of?? Is he trying to nurture this place, preserve its charm, and improve the quality of life for all residents?

This is utter assholery. I voted for Fulop to make this city a better place. All of it. For everyone who lives here. Wildlife included. I am saddened, disappointed, baffled, and beside myself.
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« Reply #33 on: 07-10-2014, 05:27pm »
Fulop on WCBS 880 AM this afternoon, being a Debbie Dickface.

https://soundcloud.com/steve-scott/skyscraper-casino-and-f1

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« Reply #32 on: 07-10-2014, 01:14pm »
Why do we have to think big? Why can't we do small and medium size things right?

Oh, wait, because those small and medium size things typically don't have campaign contributions attached to them.
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« Reply #31 on: 07-10-2014, 01:09pm »
“You’ve got to think big,” said Mayor Steven Fulop of Jersey City, adding that he had been discussing the project with Mr. Fireman for eight months.

I wonder if this was on any of his schedules that were being requested under FOIA.

And he is in office for 4 months and he is getting ready to sell out JC.

I hate to tell you I told you so. But........




It just amazes me how each new politician gets suckered in by this big-money horseshit.


You can only believe the Mayor is being suckered if you also believe he cares about doing what’s best for the people.  Sure, casinos create lots of jobs but c’mon now, he knows as well as any educated person that the vast majority of these “opportunities” are low wage, dead-end jobs (once design and construction is completed, that is).  They’re not good for the economy, they’re not good for the community, and they sure as Hell aren’t good for the individual.


I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.

This is revealing: http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000033668
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It just amazes me how each new politician gets suckered in by this big-money horseshit.


You can only believe the Mayor is being suckered if you also believe he cares about doing what’s best for the people.  Sure, casinos create lots of jobs but c’mon now, he knows as well as any educated person that the vast majority of these “opportunities” are low wage, dead-end jobs (once design and construction is completed, that is).  They’re not good for the economy, they’re not good for the community, and they sure as Hell aren’t good for the individual.


I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.

This is revealing: http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000033668
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« Reply #29 on: 07-10-2014, 11:34am »
It just amazes me how each new politician gets suckered in by this big-money horseshit.

You can only believe the Mayor is being suckered if you also believe he cares about doing what’s best for the people.  Sure, casinos create lots of jobs but c’mon now, he knows as well as any educated person that the vast majority of these “opportunities” are low wage, dead-end jobs (once design and construction is completed, that is).  They’re not good for the economy, they’re not good for the community, and they sure as Hell aren’t good for the individual. 

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« Reply #27 on: 07-10-2014, 10:01am »
Meanwhile, the NYTimes reports how :fulop: is all dreamy-eyed about this ridiculous project.

It just amazes me how each new politician gets suckered in by this big-money horseshit.
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« Reply #26 on: 07-10-2014, 09:54am »
Give me a good reason other than sanctimonious bleating. And poor returns aren't a given -- that's a product of negotiation with the local government.


Sanctimonious bleating? You think I am basing my argument on moral superiority?

The benefits of casinos primarily go to corporate.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/11/atlantic-city-casinos-money-squandered/2412791/

The actual jobs created are not all that high paying, they are like hotel service-level jobs, mostly.

The problems it can introduce to communities have been studied. Particularly when they are situated next to low-income neighborhoods, they can exacerbate social problems like gambling addiction, drug use, and crime.

Hey, I got an idea, why don't we have a dog track, too?

Why don't you give me a good idea as to why we should invite an industry like casino gambling into Jersey City?


Bumping this article, because it paints an accurate picture of what happens when casinos move in.
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« Reply #23 on: 07-08-2014, 11:21pm »
+100000000000000


Because casino gambling and car racing are what distinguishes world-class cities.

This is pretty shameless shilling for gubernatorial campaign money.  ::)

Oh, we can call it Xanadu II. . . .
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Because casino gambling and car racing are what distinguishes world-class cities.

This is pretty shameless shilling for gubernatorial campaign money.  ::)

Oh, we can call it Xanadu II. . . .
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A casino in Jersey City? Venture capitalist wants to make it happen
By Matt Friedman/The Star-Ledger
on July 08, 2014 at 8:21 PM, updated July 08, 2014 at 8:40 PM

TRENTON — A venture capitalist from Massachusetts has been quietly meeting with leading New Jersey politicians in recent months, pushing a proposal for a casino and hotel rising 95 floors above New York Harbor.

The $4.6 billion project would also feature residences, a 107,500-seat motor sports stadium and what is billed as the largest Ferris wheel in the world.

But there’s one catch — it would not be in Atlantic City, the only city where New Jersey has allowed gambling since its legalization almost 40 years ago. Rather, it would rise in Jersey City, with sweeping views of Manhattan and sit almost eyeball to eyeball with the new 104-story World Trade Center just across the harbor.

"I’m excited about the potential for a world-class facility that includes a casino, hotel and convention center as well as the largest ferris wheel in the world all located next to the best park in New Jersey," Mayor Steve Fulop said. "I still need more information regarding the racetrack to be confident it will not harm Liberty State Park. This development would create 25,000 jobs and over $5 billion of investment, which would be one of the largest construction projects in the United States."

Even a former mayor of Atlantic City, state Sen. Jim Whelan (D-Atlantic), accepted the inevitability of the project, or one like it.

"I’m sure there are a lot of people who will take me to task for daring to even consider casinos outside of Atlantic City," Whelan said. "I’d love to be wrong, but I think that’s the reality of where we are."

The man behind the proposal is Paul Fireman, a former chief executive of Reebok who runs Fireman Capital Partners in Boston, and whose wealth Forbes placed in 2006 at $1.1 billion.

Fireman has met with several lawmakers about his proposal, according to two who provided details to The Star-Ledger. But Fireman himself did not return calls and emails seeking comment.

"It’s huge," said state Sen. Raymond Lesniak (D-Union), who has met with Fireman. "It has the wow factor ... It will blow away Macau as a destination place for gaming."

According to the lawmakers, the casino would be situated near the waterfront, next to the Liberty National Golf Course, which Fireman built in 2006.

Assemblyman Ralph Caputo (D-Essex), a former casino executive and chairman of the Assembly Tourism, Gaming and Arts Committee, said he, too, had discussed the project with Fireman.

"When companies or investors lay out a... plan like that — an expensive, massive project — it very possibly can work," Caputo said.

The proposal is in its infancy, and many of the details — including how it would connect with NJ Transit’s nearby light rail system — were not available. But mega projects — like the trouble-plagued American Dream, formerly known as Xanadu — often don’t end up as originally planned, if at all.

Then there’s the huge obstacle in its path: Opening a casino anywhere outside Atlantic City would require the approval of New Jersey voters to amend the state constitution.

In 2011, Gov. Chris Christie and lawmakers put a five-year plan in place to revive Atlantic City, which began hemorrhaging profits once casinos started opening in neighboring states. And despite an infusion of money from the state, the resort is still struggling, with two casinos closing their doors so far this year and another filing for bankruptcy.

Christie and Senate President Stephen Sweeney (D-Gloucester), after years steadfastly refusing to allow casino gambling anywhere else in the state, are starting to relent.

Sweeney said last week he was willing to consider putting forth a constitutional amendment for voters to approve to allow gambling elsewhere in the state 2015 — as long as it included a way to help Atlantic City.

For his part, Christie said last week he was "happy to have that conversation" with Sweeney.

While Sweeney declined to comment specifically on the Jersey City proposal, he did say that "if we’re going to look at opening (gambling) up, it could be in Jersey City or somewhere else up north where a casino could be beneficial."

Whelan, the former Atlantic City mayor, said he would like future legislation to require any new North Jersey casino operators to also open a casino in Atlantic City, restrict the gaming expansion only to North Jersey, and to make sure revenue makes its way south in the same way that Atlantic City casinos funded projects around the state for years.

Until now, those in favor of expanding gambling into North Jersey have generally wanted to build a casino in the Meadowlands. Lesniak said he would still like to see that to happen, though it would serve a different market.

"The Meadowlands would co-exist," he said. "They really would have two separate attractions. The Meadowlands would be more of an average day player, whereas this would attract the high rollers from around the world."

He said up to $1 billion in revenue from two casinos over 10 years would be devoted to transforming Atlantic City from a past-its-prime gambling mecca into an all-around tourist destination. Lesniak added that the Jersey City proposal, like any other casino proposed outside of Atlantic City casino, would have to compete for a license under the terms laid out in future legislation.

"There’s a lot invested in Atlantic City," Lesniak said, "and rather than this proposal leaving it high and dry, it actually is a means for it to be saved."

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« Reply #20 on: 02-10-2014, 05:00pm »
"Everything for Industry"

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« Reply #19 on: 02-10-2014, 11:19am »
Whoever stole the mayor’s “What Would Michael Bloomberg Do” strategy guide—please return it ASAP.

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« Reply #18 on: 02-08-2014, 01:40am »
Osborne firmly against it.  In the HCA Facebook group:  "I will lay across a rail road track to prevent this from happening in Ward E."

And this on twitter:  https://twitter.com/candiceosborne/status/431914803683422208


I predict scenes like this at the next council meeting.......

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Sanctimonious bleater.

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Re: Fulop supports Sweeney's casino idea
« Reply #16 on: 02-07-2014, 07:19pm »
nikki: i can't keep up with rab and his George Clooney lifestyle of drinking wine, playing music and philanthropy

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Re: Fulop supports Sweeney's casino idea
« Reply #15 on: 02-07-2014, 07:10pm »
Osborne firmly against it.  In the HCA Facebook group:  "I will lay across a rail road track to prevent this from happening in Ward E."

And this on twitter:  https://twitter.com/candiceosborne/status/431914803683422208
But what if the casino made artisanal cupcakes and served juice smoothies? I bet she'd sing a different tune then.

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Re: Fulop supports Sweeney's casino idea
« Reply #14 on: 02-07-2014, 07:00pm »
Give me a good reason other than sanctimonious bleating.

And you are quite wrong here. I am not making a moral argument. The individual choice to gamble is just that. My argument is based on whether or not it is a good investment for Jersey City. It isn't, for many reasons.
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Re: Fulop supports Sweeney's casino idea
« Reply #13 on: 02-07-2014, 06:01pm »
:rofl:
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Re: Fulop supports Sweeney's casino idea
« Reply #12 on: 02-07-2014, 05:59pm »
Osborne firmly against it.  In the HCA Facebook group:  "I will lay across a rail road track to prevent this from happening in Ward E."

And this on twitter:  https://twitter.com/candiceosborne/status/431914803683422208

She will lay what?

Politicians never lie.

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Re: Fulop supports Sweeney's casino idea
« Reply #11 on: 02-07-2014, 05:55pm »
Give me a good reason other than sanctimonious bleating. And poor returns aren't a given -- that's a product of negotiation with the local government.


Sanctimonious bleating? You think I am basing my argument on moral superiority?

The benefits of casinos primarily go to corporate.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/11/atlantic-city-casinos-money-squandered/2412791/

The actual jobs created are not all that high paying, they are like hotel service-level jobs, mostly.

The problems it can introduce to communities have been studied. Particularly when they are situated next to low-income neighborhoods, they can exacerbate social problems like gambling addiction, drug use, and crime.

Hey, I got an idea, why don't we have a dog track, too?

Why don't you give me a good idea as to why we should invite an industry like casino gambling into Jersey City?
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Re: Fulop supports Sweeney's casino idea
« Reply #10 on: 02-07-2014, 05:52pm »
Osborne firmly against it.  In the HCA Facebook group:  "I will lay across a rail road track to prevent this from happening in Ward E."

And this on twitter:  https://twitter.com/candiceosborne/status/431914803683422208

She will lay what?

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Re: Fulop supports Sweeney's casino idea
« Reply #9 on: 02-07-2014, 05:47pm »
Give me a good reason other than sanctimonious bleating. And poor returns aren't a given – that's a product of negotiation with the local government.

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Re: Fulop supports Sweeney's casino idea
« Reply #8 on: 02-07-2014, 05:44pm »
I don't know, at first glance it seems like a stupid idea – but wouldn't it fit right in near Port Liberté and Liberty National Golf Club? That's the aesthetic they're going for over there anyway. I say wedge it between the Turnpike extension and the golf course, near Chapel Ave., or Pole Position, or maybe the industrial area near Liberty Park Café. Nice views of the park, harbor and golf course, easy access to a highway, and nowhere near where anyone actually lives.

You mean maybe on the National Guard plot of land, which is up for sale, and is right next to Caven Point sports fields?!!! Where all the high school teams play? Not to mention younger leagues? Um, no.

Casinos offer poor returns to the communities they are sited in.

Better return would be to focus on high-tech jobs, if the point is to benefit the city.

But this is not to benefit the city, this is to grab campaign dollars from the gambling industry in the fight to see who will replace Christie as governor.
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Re: Fulop supports Sweeney's casino idea
« Reply #7 on: 02-07-2014, 05:41pm »
"...in Ward E."
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Re: Fulop supports Sweeney's casino idea
« Reply #6 on: 02-07-2014, 05:40pm »
Osborne firmly against it.  In the HCA Facebook group:  "I will lay across a rail road track to prevent this from happening in Ward E."

And this on twitter:  https://twitter.com/candiceosborne/status/431914803683422208

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Re: Fulop supports Sweeney's casino idea
« Reply #5 on: 02-07-2014, 05:37pm »
I don't know, at first glance it seems like a stupid idea – but wouldn't it fit right in near Port Liberté and Liberty National Golf Club? That's the aesthetic they're going for over there anyway. I say wedge it between the Turnpike extension and the golf course, near Chapel Ave., or Pole Position, or maybe the industrial area near Liberty Park Café. Nice views of the park, harbor and golf course, easy access to a highway, and nowhere near where anyone actually lives.

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Re: Fulop supports Sweeney's casino idea
« Reply #4 on: 02-07-2014, 03:02pm »
I know I said this elsewhere, but if this is going to be pursued, as part of their JC rebranding effort, City Hall should consider going with one of the following slogans.

Jersey City: We Take Our Ten Percent Off the Top!

or maybe

Jersey City: We Run a Legitimate Business Here
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Re: Re: The Fulop Agenda
« Reply #3 on: 02-07-2014, 02:14pm »
http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2014/02/fulop_supports_sweeneys_casino_idea.html

Say it ain't so Steve. This idea sucks.


I have to say I agree. It seems no one can with the governor's seat without the support of organized crime **cough cough** I mean the casinos.

Christie okayed online gambling; now there are online gambling ads throughout the PATH system. Why? Because gambling.

Christie pushed for a PATH extension to Newark Airport, to leverage United Airlines to provide flights in and out of Atlantic City. Why? Because gambling.

Now Sweeney and Fulop are vying for Christie's seat, they will see who can become coziest with the casino crowd.

A crappy, crappy idea. I don't want casinos in Jersey City.
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Re: Re: The Fulop Agenda
« Reply #2 on: 02-07-2014, 02:11pm »
http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2014/02/fulop_supports_sweeneys_casino_idea.html

Say it ain't so Steve. This idea sucks.


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Fulop supports Sweeney's casino idea
« Reply #1 on: 02-07-2014, 02:10pm »
http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2014/02/fulop_supports_sweeneys_casino_idea.html

Say it ain't so Steve. This idea sucks.



Fulop supports Sweeney's casino idea
By Terrence T. McDonald/The Jersey Journal
on February 07, 2014 at 1:15 PM
 
Jersey City Mayor Steve Fulop has come out in support of a plan floated by Senate President Stephen Sweeney to put casinos in some of the state’s urban areas, including Jersey City.

Fulop and Sweeney are rumored to be eyeing the governor’s mansion in 2017. They recently had a brief brawl over a state measure revamping the city’s pension system that political observers believed was an opening salvo in that race.

But on the casinos issue, they agree.

"A casino in Jersey City right outside of Manhattan would be a top performer economically in the country and a huge benefit for Jersey City for job creation, entertainment, and financially,” Fulop said in a statement from his office. “It is great that the Senate and Assembly will pursue options outside of Atlantic City."

Sweeney, D-Gloucester, told the Press of Atlantic City this week that Camden, Jersey City or Newark could benefit from a casino.

Gambling revenue out of Atlantic City has fallen in recent years, but Sweeney told the Press that nongambling revenue, such as income from restaurants and stores, has grown.
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